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Moby Grape

5.8 PG13, Trad, Alpine, 800 ft (242 m), 7 pitches, Grade III,  Avg: 3.8 from 563 votes
FA: Joe Cote, Roger Martin, 1972
New Hampshire > Cannon Cliff > 4. Moby Grape Area
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Description

Moby Grape is the second most popular route on Cannon, behind the Whitney Gilman Ridge. It is a classic 5.8 wall climb, perhaps more due to the shared experience between those who have climbed it, the exposure, and the adventure - and less to do with its quality (read loose rock).

The Conn buttress borders the right side of the big wall section and Moby Grape climbs up the center of this buttress. Though the original first pitch climbed the left corner of the buttress, Reppy's Crack, a splitter in the truest sense of the word, has become the pitch of choice.

*Rapping this route after the first pitch should be reserved for emergencies. Aside from the bolts at the top of the first pitch you shouldn’t expect to find fixed anchors.  .

*Lots of variations exist. Have fun.  

[Note: while given here in 7 pitches it can be broken up many ways. There are several route descriptions in the comments section. R. Hall ]

Pitch 1, 180’ (Reppy's Crack) 5.8: Climb the obvious splitter crack. This has been called the best hand crack in New Hampshire. Follow the crack up and right then back left to directly above the start on easier rock, stopping at a bolted belay. (FA'd by Phil Nelson and Allen Wedgewood in '65)

Note 1 - The original start is a quality pitch of the same length as Reppy’s to the same chains. It follows the left side of the buttress (starting about 25’ left of Reppy’s Crack) and climbs past a bolt about 20’ off the ground, continuing up the strenuous wide layback until traversing to the right onto the face at a bolt and up the finger and hand cracks to the chains. It does still have one spooky block and a bit of friable rock up high. Big cams make it PG. A more strenuous start than Reppy's. Cannon 5.9.  

Pitch 2, 140’ (The Triangular Roof) 5.8: Climb 50 feet of broken rock (careful). You can avoid the loose rock in the chimney by going left or right. Climb up cracks to the prominent triangular roof (either directly or, more easily, going from left to right). Belaying on the face above the roof is safer and cleaner than going to the ledge. (Lots of loose rock on the ledge and challenging to make a safe belay).  

[Historical note: the triangular roof is quite "geologically young", having formed about 1968-69 due to rockfall. Prior to that time the old ConnCourse route climbed an inside corner to a set of "rising steps" on a slab. R. Hall]

Pitch 3, 120’ 5.7: Move up and right following a flake system around the corner. Continue ascending until you reach a right-facing arching corner.

Pitch 4, 90’ (The Finger of Fate) 5.8 PG-13: Climb the arch and step right to reach a prominent fin of rock (“The Sickle”). Ascend to the huge flake known as the Finger of Fate. This flake looks dubiously connected to the cliff but is actually pretty solid. Either chimney up the left side of the flake or hand traverse (campus if you dare) along the right side. A few spooky, poorly-protected slab moves lead to a large ledge with a huge left facing flake.

NOTE (see  Comments- 6/22/23 and 7/8/23 Pitch 4 has a washing machine sized rock ready to come off the wall in the wet area as you traverse. And Grant Simmons reply’s that it hasn’t gotten worse in the recent past. 

Pitch 5, 160’ (The Boulder Problem) 5.7:  From the belay, walk left about 30 feet to a dike, make a tricky move (“The Boulder Problem”) and then climb an easy slab up to a grassy ledge (optional belay). Follow cracks up the next face, trending right past a tricky sequence requiring good balance and a cool head to get to another long ledge. Go to the right and belay near the left side of a huge fallen pillar.

Pitch 6, +/-60’ (The Cave) 5.7: Climb the fun corner in the left side of the pillar to a roof (“The Cave”). Make a move to the right to exit the corner and continue up and right to build a belay in good rock.

Alternate finish, +/-250’ (Kurt’s Corner) 5.8: From above the Cave move, zig-zag up and left to get to the huge, left-facing corner system. Belay at the base of the corner, then follow it all the way to the highest point of the cliff. Kurt’s Corner often stays wet when the rest of the cliff is dry, so scope it out from the parking area. 

Pitch 7, +/- 200’ 5.8: Follow discontinuous cracks and slabs up right, then straight up, aiming for the beautiful splitters on the horizon. This section involves scrambling intermingled with short sequences of good 5.8 climbing.

Please note: If you think you might be off route near the top, don't worry many people are unsure of the best way to go here. Luckily there are many different options that will take you up. If you climb to a dead end, try moving over to find another way to go.[ This sage piece of advice was added by one of the foremost NH climbers .] 

 

Descent: The trail can be hard to find. Scramble right from the end of technical climbing and you'll find a trail leading downhill that trends climber's right (north). Follow the trail, which is mostly on slab and is well established. It takes a couple of switchbacks and tends to be closer to the edge of the cliff than you might expect. If you are struggling through spruce or down climbing you've lost the trail, turn around and go find it. When you find the cables and rods that failed to keep the Old Man on the mountain, follow the waterslide (a cemented water diversion apparatus that obviously didn't work) downhill until you pick up an obvious, well-worn climbers’ trail. The trail will bring you to the trail on the west side of Profile lake. Turn right to head back to the climbers lot.

 

Return to start of route: [From Krutz in the comment section] Walk down the descent trail about 20 minutes. Look for faint climbers trail that cuts hard right where the main trail hangs a left (about halfway down, where the steepness starts to ease off). Better to be too low than too high. You should emerge at the base of the slabs. From there, it's about 15 minutes walk back to the start of MG.

Protection

Standard trad rack. Can be nice to have doubles to No. 3 and tape gloves, though not necessary. Two ropes are required for rappels. Don't forget your helmet--this is Cannon after all.

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i know someone already posted a map for this but this is a larger file so you can zoom in the see more features...
[Hide Photo] i know someone already posted a map for this but this is a larger file so you can zoom in the see more features...
Peter Fogg just below the Finger of Fate.
[Hide Photo] Peter Fogg just below the Finger of Fate.
Lee Hansche getting some hangtime on the finger of fate! ©Brent Doscher Photography
[Hide Photo] Lee Hansche getting some hangtime on the finger of fate! ©Brent Doscher Photography
Converse demonstrating the proper climbing technique for conquering the finger of fate.
[Hide Photo] Converse demonstrating the proper climbing technique for conquering the finger of fate.
Beautiful sunset top-out on Moby Grape
[Hide Photo] Beautiful sunset top-out on Moby Grape
Topo with belays and prominent points marked.
[Hide Photo] Topo with belays and prominent points marked.
Looking down from below the triangle roof
[Hide Photo] Looking down from below the triangle roof
8/2/15 The 2nd of the lowest party tackles the "Triangular Roof".  Your submitter was one of the first climbers, if not the first, to climb this feature after the rockfall that changed "Conn Course". [Photo taken from Boise Rock]
[Hide Photo] 8/2/15 The 2nd of the lowest party tackles the "Triangular Roof". Your submitter was one of the first climbers, if not the first, to climb this feature after the rockfall that changed "Conn Course…
Reppy's Crack 7/3/2010.
[Hide Photo] Reppy's Crack 7/3/2010.
Arriving at the Finger of Fate [taken 8/2/15 from Boise Rock; if you are the party (last of 8 climbers on the route) I can send you copies]
[Hide Photo] Arriving at the Finger of Fate [taken 8/2/15 from Boise Rock; if you are the party (last of 8 climbers on the route) I can send you copies]
View from the belay just below the Finger of Fate. Whitney Gilman Ridge on the right. A wet day on Moby Grape.
[Hide Photo] View from the belay just below the Finger of Fate. Whitney Gilman Ridge on the right. A wet day on Moby Grape.
pulling the roof on pitch 3... photo corey hebert...
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Comments [Hide ALL Comments]

[Hide Comment] "alpine rock rack"? i was pleased to have a double set of cams, including blue aliens, and if you're not solid on straight-in hands and wide hands then youll want extra #2 and #3 camalots.

great route. every pitch was interesting and it was climbing all the way to the top. double ropes are great on this route. Sep 8, 2007
asmith
 
[Hide Comment] I went lighter in Reppy's and found that there were many constrictions that would take big hexs. Oct 16, 2007
Lee Hansche
Allenstown, NH... and a van…
 
[Hide Comment] Got on this one today after a couple years and man it was a blast! what a great route with memorable climbing on almost every pitch...

i had heard that there was a scramble off to the north after the Finger pitch... i had done the normal finish a couple times so i tryed the scramble today... got a little lost (and found a few nice pitches) but no easy scramble to the right... anyone know if it exists or if i was just sand bagged? May 4, 2009
Adam Wilcox
Candia, NH
  5.8
[Hide Comment] Climbed this yesterday and Reppy's is my new favorite pitch. I felt like a single #3 Camalot would have been sufficient and the #3.5/4 was only really useful below the Finger. There's lots of small constrictions in Reppy's where other gear can be used.

There was some fresh rockfall just left of Reppy's. Art Mooney told my partner that it came off the original start in the last few days and may have altered that pitch significantly. Aug 15, 2009
losbill
  5.8
[Hide Comment] After exiting the P6 roof, aka "The Cave"; instead of heading up right to finish, finish on Kurt's Corner. The base of its left-facing dihedral will be directly overhead. It is clearly visible to the left of the finish marked in the very nice topo photo.

Just do it! As my partner said to me yesterday at the top after finishing it, "Such a great finish lifts the entire quality of an already high quality climb." I heartily agreed! Aug 29, 2009
Mike Robinson
Grand Junction, CO
 
[Hide Comment] Amazing, I have moved this to #1, 5.8 on my list! Aug 7, 2010
Chris Norfolk
Fredericton, New Brunswick
 
[Hide Comment] Wow. My first Alpine style experience and we had the entire line to ourselves over the October long weekend. Great climb with wild stuff almost the whole way. The step down to the hanging flake off the anchors on the Finger pitch was airy!

Only thing to add is that I'm a 5.8 crag leader and this was a climb a bit over my head. I had to give almost all pitches to my stronger partner for the sake of speed. If this is your limit you might consider doing it in the summer when the days are longer. Oct 12, 2010
[Hide Comment] Re the Kurt's Corner finish: This was originally done by Phil Koch and partner (whose name I don't know) sometime in the 1970's. Phil took me up it in summer/fall of 1980, and told me about his first ascent of it (which was free), which had taken place some years prior. (I think the current guidebook lists the FA as latter 1980's? I don't have it on me as I write this.) Jun 24, 2011
losbill
  5.8
[Hide Comment] John -- Jon Sykes' guide notes Kurt Winkler and John Colebaugh 10/86 as the FA. I will point Jamie Cunningham to your post. Jon apparently doesn't do too much "web surfing". Jon is working on a new guide I believe to be called "Secrets of the Notches" to update development in Franconia Notch and the development of several areas up in Kinsman Notch over the last number of years. Would be an opportunity to correct the attribution as warranted based upon your comment. --- Bill Jun 25, 2011
N Nelsen
Thornton, NH
[Hide Comment] First pitch didn't go with only a single set of 1-3 C4s. figured it was a good sign of things to come, so saving the route until a few more mid sized C4s are purchased. Great first pitch though, hope the rest of the route is as quality! Jul 20, 2011
shaftoe
 
[Hide Comment] This route has variety, is sustained, and is steep in a few spots.
I love it.
It's wild. Conditions can change your experience drastically...
for example, last saturday my partner and I got caught behind two groups of 3. We showed up at 10:30 because it had rained the night before and the notch was socked in. The first group of 3 had arrived at 7:30 and we saw them on the 3rd pitch (at the triangle) on the approach. By the time we were at the end of the 3rd pitch we had caught up to them! The last of their group was at the anchor and the second group of 3 was waiting.

Long story short, we ended up climbing the last pitch (including the cruxy-run-out-soaking-wet slab) in the pitch dark.
So did the pair behind us. Good for looking at the stars, not as good for climbing and finding the trail down.
(should have climbed the corner but my route description didn't show that)

Here's a picture of the log jam before the last pitch:

Night falls on the log jam.
Aug 4, 2011
Lee Hansche
Allenstown, NH... and a van…
 
[Hide Comment] yuck! i hate waiting... i would have rapped and done a few other routes instead... glad you made it down safe! Aug 4, 2011
Ryan Barber
Rumney, NH
[Hide Comment] Very nice. I finally finished yesterday on my 4th attempt (1st attempt bailed at the top of Reppy's due to a rescue happening above; 2nd attempt bailed due to thunderstorms at the top of the triangular roof; 3rd attempt bailed because my partner could not push the roof despite his best efforts).

Took a fall on pitch 5/6 (Jay, perhaps you could fix the description from "classic cannon rockaneering"... Jon Sykes' book gives a little better idea) at the fixed pink tricam before the weird move out of the cave and up over the bulge to the belay. Not knowing where the route led, I tried to follow some smudgy chalk lines that went up left from the cave up the dihedral slabby corner. My feet peeled, and I dropped down to the ledge 15 feet below, my left foot hitting the ledge and having just enough rope to absorb the impact of the rest of my body. I immediately got up and figured out the awkward exit out right of the cave. The final pitch and a half was nicer climbing than I anticipated.

Highly recommended, and definitely will repeat. Sep 12, 2011
Peter W
Salt Lake City
[Hide Comment] My partner and I climbed this route yesterday. We were expecting to rap down off the fourth pitch but were enjoying it too much to stop. This lead to an uncomfortable hike down in our climbing shoes but I'm glad I did the whole route.

We climbed the corner variation as described in the Northeast Select Climbs book by Lewis and Horowitz. The corner was good fun and I recommend it. Rather than heading right after the chimney/cave head straight up and set the belay just below a left facing corner. From here we headed up the corner and onto slabby terrain above.

Caution! I used all 70m of my rope and just barely got to a stance where I could put in a few marginal pieces and belay my partner up (right side of slab). I ran out probably 70ft of slab with only a dead tree as mental pro. Wet moss and slab made things even more spicy. Doing it again I would set a belay after the corner at the most convenient spot then do the run out on the slab. That would give enough rope to set a better belay.

Descent: If doing the corner variation you'll end up near some cables we thought were Old Man remnants. This turned out to be untrue. Walk more or less downhill and north. Aim for a rectangular foundation like structure you'll be able to see from where you topped out. There are some faint trails but you'll have to bushwhack a bit. In the process of heading towards this foundation structure you'll pick up on the well used standard descent trail and the waterslide which brings you to the actual Old Man remnants.

My partner and I split while on the descent trail so he could pick up our bags we left at the bottom. There was an obvious branch in the trail, but it dwindled quickly. To the right will bring you to the base of the cliff, but only after some easy 5th class downclimbing according to my partner. Sep 29, 2011
[Hide Comment] Are all the anchors fixed on this route? Jun 2, 2012
[Hide Comment] No, it is usually possible to rap off after the first 4 pitches without leaving gear. The rap station at the top of the Triangle Roof (4th) is a thread behind a piece of shit flake. You should plan on building all of your own anchors. Jun 25, 2012
Dom Caron
Welsford, New Brunswick Canada
  5.8
[Hide Comment] I'll second the 'climb the Kurt's Corner variation'. Very Beautiful dihedral. After the dihedral, head right to find some gear to belay off of. Aug 29, 2012
bradley white
Bend
 
[Hide Comment] I set up that rap in 2011 and it was not a shit flake. It fit in all the right places and is made of the highest quality pink Conway granite. Why the sling has stayed I don't know, it was booty. That fat rock horn lower right that is bigger and brownish is risky business to rappel off of or crap in my opinion. I believe size and thickness are not as important as physicality and rock composition. Dec 11, 2012
LucasSpiegel
Castle Rock, CO
 
[Hide Comment] The original first pitch is much more varied and thoughtful than Reppys.....and a good way to pass slow parties. Def a grade harder than Reppys. Do it in one long pitch to the top of the buttress. Jun 29, 2013
Brian
North Kingstown, RI
[Hide Comment] If you do the first pitch variation be aware that the rock quality is less than good in a few places which is inconsistent with the rest of the route. There was a significant rock fall on the original start in 2009 injuring the climber. Jun 30, 2013
Eric Chabot
Salt Lake City, UT
[Hide Comment] Did this route 2 days ago, and really enjoyed every pitch. We went up to the finger of fate and decided to rap from there, threading a flake and leaving a nut at the belay above the finger. Stuart Green's guidebook recommends doing this to avoid the lesser quality upper pitches.

While pulling our ropes, one got super stuck in the area of broken rock above the triangular roof. I yarded on it maybe a little too hard and dislodged a rock the size of a 60" flat screen TV which missed us by a few yards.

Rappelling this route should be done with EXTREME CAUTION. Jul 28, 2013
[Hide Comment] Yikes! Glad you and anyone else who might have been around is OK!

Regarding the Greene guide's advice to rap off, next time you go, disregard it entirely. The pitches above the Finger are for the most part high quality, provided you get the route finding right.

The boulder-problem pitch (next after the Finger) is OK, if not great, and certainly not a reason to retreat. It's actually pretty fun.

The pitch after the boulder problem is fantastic, with a great combination of delicate face and wild, steep stems and jams on excellent granite. The belay is spectacular as well.

That leaves you with the traditional finishing pitches up and right, which are quite good, or the outstanding Kurt's Corner variation finish which is arguably the best pitch of the entire route.

Go finish this sucker! Jul 29, 2013
Brett Maguire
Worcester, MA
 
[Hide Comment] This is such a great climb! I'll admit that it took three times up Cannon - once on the Whitney G, once seconding Moby Grape, and then this third time leading it - to feel relaxed enough to have type one fun on the cliff. I'm now itching to hit it again.

We were a bit tired after the Finger pitch and took the beta about bailing off to the right up the Conn Dike. I'm not certain how this counts as bailing: over a hundred feet of scrambling up unprotectable and questionable rock, followed by a long, dirty pitch of actual 5.7/5.8 climbing (maybe I missed an easier line?). Point of all this is that, even when tired, it would have been better just to finish the actual route, which is becoming a recurring theme in these comments.

Also: there always seems to be an abandoned blue #3 Camalot in one of the main crack lines. The beta on this page calls Reppy's a #3 or #3.5 crack, but #2 seems to be much more appropriate. If you're a beginning leader, reach for a #2 before overcamming and offering up a #3 to the Moby Grape gods. Aug 22, 2013
[Hide Comment] I agree with Brett - Reppy's takes #2 Camalots/C4s (possibly equivalent to #3 Friends?). And to reiterate what others have mentioned - the clean slab directly above Kurt's Corner has no pro. Best to escape right unless runout slab sounds appealing. Sep 9, 2013
[Hide Comment] While it's true that the clean slab above Kurt's has no pro, it's also true that it isn't even 5th class... Sep 10, 2013
Kurtz
Fort Collins, CO
 
[Hide Comment] (updated Sep. 2015)

A stellar route! Every pitch is good and the difficulty is remarkably consistent. If you have a weakness (crack, slab, layback, roof), this route will find it.

I read a lot of bitching about the MP beta so we compared it with Chauvin's chauvinguides.com/mobyguide… as we climbed. Overall, Chauvin's 9 pitch version is better but gets confusing after Pitch 7 because of the options.

We did MG (Kurt's Corner variation) in 9 pitches with 60m doubles. MG can be done in 6 but I wouldn't recommend it unless you've climbed here before. Here are the most useful beta-bits I can offer:

P1: Smaller stuff fits at the start of the pitch but the main part of Reppy's Crack takes #2 (yellow) Camalots almost everywhere (bring multiples). A #3 will fit occasionally. A #4 fits at the pod. Move right around the corner after the top of the crack and up about 30 ft. to bolted anchors. This takes all of a 60m rope.

P2: Since it's hard to see the Triangular Roof from the P1 anchor, it's a good idea to add this 90? ft. pitch so you can watch the leader approach and pull the roof on P3. Chauvin says to move left on 4th class but we took a direct line through a wide crack/mini-chimney (5.7ish). Build a gear anchor or use the webbing around a chockstone below the Triangular Roof.

Warning: a party below us tried to pass on the far left at this point and knocked off a minifridge-size boulder. It bounced over the buttress and exploded on impact at the base. I saw shrapnel spray 100 feet into the talus field. Luckily, no one was down there at the time.

P3: The Triangular Roof may be the most difficult move on the route but protects well. The belay ledge just above has questionable blocks and some loose rock to avoid. The next pitch starts from the right end so we built our anchor there.

P4: From the right end of the ledge, diagonal up right. It's pretty obvious and no nasty surprises. Choose a belay that gives a good view of the Finger of Fate. 125 ft.

P5: Getting to the Finger of Fate (shark fin) is half the fun. First, you have to hand traverse The Sickle, a left-pointing, curved flake below the Finger. It was a lot easier to reach before the tip broke off. We went up the right side of the Finger. Easy but awkward. Consider pulling your pack behind you on a sling. Some thin slab moves above lead to the right side of a big sloping ledge.

Note: We had a lot of trouble hearing each other on P6-7. Plan accordingly.

P6: We moved our belay 40 ft. left and went up the crack. The first 5.8 moves off the ledge are tricky so a solid belay/spot is important. Choose whatever line appeals to you but aim for the base of the distinct left-facing cave/chimney ("huge fallen pillar" on P5 of MP beta). The pro is thin on the slabs leading to the Cave and it's sketchy when wet.

P7: Climb up into the "cave" and place a bomber piece to protect the spicy exit to the right. You'll probably want a piece below but consider back-cleaning it to avoid rope drag. Above the Cave, the traditional route goes right but we wanted the Kurt's Corner variation (the obvious left-facing corner directly above the Cave). To get there requires some zigzagging. It looks hard from below, but holds and pro appear when most needed. A couple of long slings reduce drag. We set our belay on two small ledges at the start of the Corner.

P8: Kurt's Corner is fun and fast (when dry)! Plenty of pro in the cracks on the right. Build your anchor at the top of the Corner or cross over to the left side of the slab above and belay in an alcove from some spongy trees.

P9: Run-out slab but easy (barely 4th class) where dry. You might be able to sling a tree or two. We avoided the mossy wet streaks by climbing into the turf at the top.

Descent to parking lot: Trail can be hard to find at top. Walk right (not uphill) closer to the cliff edge than feels comfortable, heading for the cliff-side of the square helipad. Do not get lured farther left (north)! Pass the cables and rods that did not keep the Old Man on the Mountain. Walk down the water chute and then the trail is easy to follow. You end up at the north end of Profile Lake. Walk south along west side of lake to lot.

Return to start of route: Walk down the descent trail about 30 minutes. Look for faint climbers trail that cuts hard right where the main trail hangs a left (about halfway down, where the steepness starts to ease off). Better to be too low than too high. You should emerge at the base of the slabs. From there, it's about 15 minutes walk back to the start of MG. Sep 10, 2013
Nate Solnit
Bath, NH
[Hide Comment] +1 on the Conn Dike escape not really being useful. We ended up beating up and left from below the last pitch of Union Jack and I believe actually finished up P8 of John Sykes description. I can only assume that it's faster and more straight forward to finish the original line. Jul 30, 2014
[Hide Comment] I recently did this climb and we mistakenly left a brand new number 3 C4 somewhere on pitch 5/6, staying on rout was a mystery to me after the finger of fate :/ Anyway the cam is in a horizontal crack above a roof just past the fallen down pillar near the top. Finders keepers I guess, but I would really like it returned if someone finds it, I will pay for shipping and everything.

One can email daniel.rossi@chem.tamu.edu, or post back here.

Thanks,

Danny. Aug 16, 2014
E thatcher
Plymouth/ North Conway (NH)
 
[Hide Comment] Belay beta. Over the years I've discovered a couple of pieces of beta regarding belay locations that make this route much more fun, at least for me. Most of them put the belayer farther from the climber at the crux, so perhaps not the best for those whose limit is closer to 5.8

From the 2 bolt belay climb through the 4th class ledges leading up to the triangle roof. Pull the roof and shortly after (5') step right onto a small foot ledge and build a bomber anchor in the crack that arches above you. From here climb through the right facing corner on pitch 3, to a belay below the finger of fate. The description here says that the triangle roof pitch ends at a good ledge. The ledge is large, but other than that complete shite, with loose rock hanging about and no solid rock for an anchor.

After the finger of fate this route description tells you to wander around some walls. the proper beta is to move about 40' to the left and surmount a very short boulder problem in a dike that breaks through the head wall. one can build and anchor some where in the grassy ledges above this, and continue up through the final boulder problem on the slab, through the roof on P8? to a great gear anchor above it. If you place minimal gear and extend at least two key pieces with 4 footers you can also just barely get to this gear anchor from the anchor above the finger of fate... Aug 19, 2014
stephen arsenault
Wolfeboro, NH
[Hide Comment] Just thought I would mention that it is possible to skip the Finger of Fate, moving left, just before the sickle move, by heading straight up the hand jam crack, and then moving left. Go up just right of the dike, onto a slab, which is a bit exposed, ( small wired nuts useful).

I've done this a few times, since I had my shoes and water in a small pack, and the Finger of Fate move is a pain with a pack. Aug 22, 2014
[Hide Comment] I feel like i need to qualify Kurtz's suggestion for pro on reppy's-

a #.75 and one or two #1's fit the beginning of the crack.

it's #2's from there to the pod

a #3.5 protects the pod

#3's from the top of the pod to the end of the crack. (#2's suck here) Sep 1, 2014
Trevor Burke
SF Bay Area
  5.8
[Hide Comment] Great climb! Reppy's, the Triangle Roof, and the Finger of Fate are all awesome pitches, the rest are average and pretty loose. Fun alpine climbing.

I found 3 Camalot #3s to be helpful in protecting Reppy's Crack, but some people may be more comfortable running it out on this pitch. We brought 1 #4 Camalot and it wasn't really necessary. I placed it once during a pitch and used it in a belay anchor, but it definitely could have been left at the car. Oct 13, 2014
m russi
New Haven, CT
[Hide Comment] Is Reppy's Crack named for John Reppy of the Yale Mountaineering Club? Apr 13, 2015
John Halupowski
Intervale, N.H.
  5.8
[Hide Comment] Reppy's Crack was FA'd by Phil Nelson and Allen Wedgewood in '65 and named for Prof. John Reppy who completed a Ph. D at Yale in '62.

[Further comment by R. Hall - as far as I know, Reppy is still climbing, and "working". Low Temp. physics is his 'gig', plays around a lot with liquid Helium-3, even weirder than liquid Helium-4, the normal isotope! ] Apr 13, 2015
Andy Munas
Phoenixville, PA
[Hide Comment] We passed a slower party just after the finger today by climbing far right almost into the Conn dike (terrible climbing) and then straight up from there (amazing). The party was starting the last pitch when we hit clean granite again. We were about 30 feet right of the normal route they were on. We split it into two pitches. First was to the right of a big block and then zigzagged beautiful cracks. The second had two roofs with multiple options around or through both.

Anyone ever do this variation? Aug 16, 2015
[Hide Comment] John Reppy is still active in the research community - see nature.com/news/2010/101208… for an interesting peek into his work. He (to my knowledge) has never climbed his namesake crack but certainly could still get up it. He remains an active climber in his 80s - something that we should all aspire too. His physics work is quite extraordinary - Bob Adair told me he was close to getting a Nobel prize. If you Google John you'll also find his son, a professor in Chicago.

Back in the old days, his drive up to Canon took about 10 hours (pre-interstate) and for whatever reason his trips to Canon often ended in snowstorms. His objectives were usually "big" routes rather than the single pitch crack that bears his name.

John Reppy, age 80, 66 years after his first FA at Ragged
Sep 15, 2015
Brian M
Long Beach, CA
 
[Hide Comment] Had to ditch a blue master cam about 30 ft under the finger on Sunday 10/12/15, would happily supply a six pack for that back. Oct 12, 2015
Robert111 Chassels
Toronto, ON
[Hide Comment] Does anyone have any info to find the decent. My friend said it was challenging. I haven't been able to find a guidebook and plan on using the info from this site, but there is no decent info... Oct 13, 2015
[Hide Comment] Quoted from Kurtz comment above:

"Descent to parking lot: Trail can be hard to find at top. Walk right (not uphill) closer to the cliff edge than feels comfortable, heading for the cliff-side of the square helipad. Do not get lured farther left (north)! Pass the cables and rods that did not keep the Old Man on the Mountain. Walk down the water chute and then the trail is easy to follow. You end up at the north end of Profile Lake. Walk south along west side of lake to lot."

The descent info is also at the end of the route description on this page.
Oct 13, 2015
[Hide Comment] Does anyone know about a bivy spot before the route? My friend and I are going to climb Moby Grape in two weeks and we would like to wake up and immediately... or quickly start climbing. Jun 25, 2016
Jay Morse
Hooksett, New Hampshire
 
[Hide Comment] While the rest of the route was dry, except for some patches on the slab going up to the cave/chimney, Kurt's Corner was a waterfall. You'll want to save that pitch for a dry day.

Also, in case you are wondering, the doubles in #1 and #2 cams are very handy throughout the entire route, not just on Reppys. I put my other #3 cam in my seconds' backpack after Reppy's and didn't regret it, but I could see it getting some use too. Nov 8, 2016
Brian
North Kingstown, RI
[Hide Comment] To get there walk south from the climber's parking lot along the bike path for a few minutes until you see a giant boulder with a sign next to it. Just beyond that there is a point where the path shoulder gets wider and there will be a faint trail on the right (west) that is sometimes marked by a small cairn. Follow the trail up to the talus slope and boulder hop following cairns. You can see Reppy's Crack from the talus field. This is easier than taking the Whitney Gilman approach as suggested in some guidebook. Nov 27, 2016
Jack Taylor
Bozeman, MT
  5.8
[Hide Comment] Typical rack for MG: stoppers, single C3 #0-2 and #.3-.4 C4/X4 or equivalent, double #.5-3 C4 or equivalent. Stash a #3 in the pack after Reppy's. Next time I will probably take 3 #2s (stash 1 after Reppy's) and only 1 #3 as Reppy's is pretty tight for #3.

Despite frequent traffic the route has a few portions of fairly low rock quality, most notably the ledge/corner above and right of the triangle roof. This ledge is frequently cited as a good place to belay; from my experience most of the gear placements here are in loose blocks and there is plenty of loose rock above.

I have found it best to pitch out MG as follows (60m single rope, pitch lengths approximate):

P1: Reppy's (5.8), continue around corner to right (5.6) to the bolted rappel anchor (5.8, 50m)

P2: Straight up blocky and wide terrain to a small ledge ~40 feet directly below Triangle Roof (5.5, 40m)

P3: Follow easy ramp up left, then back right on a right-trending finger sized crack. Step up into the corner immediately below Triangle Roof (5.7). Pull the roof (5.8) and belay on a small ledge immediately above and right of the roof (5.8, 30m)

P4: Continue up the right trending crack, climb carefully around the loose corner to the right (5.6 PG-13), follow the corner to it's top then trend slightly left up cracks to a sloping ledge 15 feet below and left of The Sickle, 40 feet below and left of The Finger (5.6, 40m)

P5: Fun climbing through The Sickle (5.6), then chimney up the left side (5.6) or hand traverse up the right side (5.7) of The Finger, step up onto slab (5.6 R) and continue to a big grassy ledge. Throw a piece or two on the right side of the ledge to protect your follower on The Finger and walk left across the ledge to belay at the base of a thin dike (bomber nuts and C3s for anchor) (5.7, 40m)

P6: Bouldery moves up the dike with sub-par protection (5.8 PG-13), continue straight up slabs then trend right towards the cave (tricky routefinding, sometimes wet), belay at the base of the cave (5.8, 45m)

P7: Up and out of the cave (5.7), belay immediately above the cave (5.7, 10m) and continue right for the standard finish (might require another pitch due to rope-snagging cracks above the cave) or straight above for Kurt's Corner

P8: Standard finish: follow 4th/low-5th cracks and ledges to the right (almost straight right, just slightly upwards as you traverse, be mindful of protection for follower), aim for a ~15 foot tall chimney behind a large block, up the chimney, end of route (5.easy, 45m)
Kurt's Corner: Clearly visible from P7 belay, climb up slabs towards massive left facing corner (5.8 PG-13), then follow the beautiful corner to its top (5.7) and belay, end of route (5.8, 50m)

P7 and P8 can be combined with significant rope drag on P8 (not recommended, will not save you time as you will be fighting heinous rope drag)

Kurt's Corner is one of the best pitches on MG. More fun and easier routefinding than the standard finish. Unfortunately it's often wet but if you're climbing on a dry day you'd be sorry to miss this amazing pitch! May 22, 2017
Skeletor 69
MT
 
[Hide Comment] I agree with Jack, I took doubles from .4 to #1 C4, 3 #2s and then 1 #3 and had more than enough gear to build bomber anchors and protect all of the pitches. Reppys crack was one of the best pitches of rock climbing that I have done on the Northeast! May 26, 2017
Ben Hoste
Highland, NY
 
[Hide Comment] Does anyone know the origin of the route name? Thanks. Jun 28, 2017
losbill
  5.8
[Hide Comment] Ben we all do.

However it is a Zen thing. You must discover the Truth for yourself. The Truth lies in North Conway.

Go there follow your Inner Self. Climb Cathedral. Consider it a spiritual journey more than a climb.

Eventually a monk or spirit will appear to you. Exactly which manifests itself will be up to you. You will know this entity is the source of the Truth since it will be soloing crack climbs with two biners of nuts and no rope.

Your Zen state and thus your chance of encountering the monk/spirit will be greatly enhanced by drinking a mug of warm Kool-Aid before ascending. If you are pure of spirit and have an open and accepting heart the monk/spirit will reveal to you the Truth you seek. Jun 30, 2017
Peter Beal
Boulder Colorado
[Hide Comment] Ben, Google is your friend

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moby_… Jun 30, 2017
Gavin Boyles
Montpelier, VT
 
[Hide Comment] Did MG on Friday in incredibly warm weather. Had a great time, and had surprisingly little company on the cliff (one rope-soloist on Reppy's and one party on W-G seemed to be it).

We did the original first pitch instead of Reppy's because my partner recently had a broken foot and didn't want to shove it into a crack for 100'.

The original first pitch is pretty stout for 5.8. I thought it was similar to Turner's Flake in style, but crumblier and harder. And no gear for a good long while after you leave the ground. Wouldn't recommend it unless someone's very comfortable at the grade and has a good reason not to do Reppy's. Sep 24, 2017
Trevor Livingston
Reno, NV
  5.8
[Hide Comment] What an amazing line on an amazing rock! My partner and I broke up the pitches a little differently than described here, but it worked out well so definitely don't stress too much if the topos with the belays marked are a little confusing. If you're looking for an adventure and great climbing, this is definitely the route to be on! Oct 25, 2017
Russ Keane
Salt Lake
[Hide Comment] Fun route, Reppy's is classic and overall it's a neat, long romp up the cliff. No way it's "top 10 in the U.S" though. Those MP listings must be driven by utilization/popularity only. Nov 8, 2017
Troy M
Boulder, CO
[Hide Comment] Some additional beta on the Kurt's Corner finish:

After pulling out of the cave, go straight up onto a narrow, right-rising ramp. Pull on face holds TO THE LEFT OF THE SMALL ROOF. The holds are tricky to spot (if you're short like me) but they're there. I initially went straight up to the roof and tried traversing under it before realizing I was on some 5.11-feeling slab. Then I finally spotted the nice face holds from above. Belay at a stance after pulling into the base of the corner.

Once in the corner, layback/walk up the slabby face to top out onto an even slabbier face. Protection runs out quick (5.easy slab though) and at this point I couldn't hear my belayer. I traversed right across the vegetation almost to where the original finish tops and used rope tugs to communicate and bring my partner up.

Despite all of this, I'd highly recommend it for a more fun and sustained finish which felt right around 5.8, maybe easier. Nov 19, 2017
aparnas
 
[Hide Comment] My first time at Cannon today, so I figured I'd start big and rope solo Moby Grape. It was... a good day. I can't believe how much radical climbing this route packs in!
Some thoughts:
1. Reppy's is excellent, though less steep than I thought it would be. Did not need the #4.
2. The triangle roof is fun, but I thought the moves up the thin, leaning crack to get positioned below the roof were more technical and cruxy than the roof itself. You can pull through the roof on hand jams, or you could layback it. Or a combo!
3. The finger is one of the wildest features I've ever seen. Do the hand traverse. Do it. It's ridiculous.
4. I don't know what "classic cannon rockaneering" is, but the fifth pitch was definitely out of character from the rest of MG. It was totally soaking wet when I did it, due to seepage from the grassy ledges above, which made the bouldery moves off the belay ledge a bit... exciting? And maybe I got off route somehow, but I thought the moves getting to the last ledge next to the fallen pillar (cave) were also bouldery and insecure, with a ledge below to break your ankles on if you blew the weird mantle/smear onto a sloping bulge.
5. There were a bunch of fixed rappel ropes all over the route for some reason. Lots of ropes left on rappel stations or even just jammed into cracks or behind flakes... Not sure if someone needed a rescue, or had an epic, and I didn't want to mess with someone's stuff if they're coming back for it, but the route looks a little grungy with bits of rope hanging all over it. May 13, 2018
Brent D
New England
 
[Hide Comment] As of May 31, 2018, the rap/belay anchor to climbers left just around the corner from the finger of fate is a serious rat's nest. I was going to cut some of the faded/frayed webbing but couldn't tell exactly what went where. If you're headed up there soon, it may be worth bringing some cord and replacing that eyesore. Jun 5, 2018
Max S
Steamboat Springs, CO
 
[Hide Comment] I found this route very fun and route finding was not as difficult as expected. The only part I got hung up on was the beginning of our last pitch, where we set up our belay right at the base of "the cave". I thought I was supposed to climb this offwidth section that goes up and left under the roof and is about 10 feet, and is not protectable (unless you decided to bring a #6 all the way up). Don't go this way. Jul 4, 2018
losbill
  5.8
[Hide Comment] "Ben, Google is your friend"

Ben be cautious of Prophets from the West. They may speak the Truth but often times it is only half truths. If you did not find the Truth in North Conway consider a pilgrimage to Down East. Sit patiently by the shore and I believe a monk will appear to share the Truth with you. At least I hope he would. Unlike the North Conway monk I have not seen nor spoken with this monk myself. Jul 14, 2018
[Hide Comment] Did a new variation that helps avoid some of the scrappy climbing above the Finger.
From the belay above the Finger, pitch #5 in the Mt Project description above.
Climb the face above the flake belay using 3 bolts and micro cam, brass nut protection to a bushy
ledge. 80 ft pitch. 5.9. Belay off bushes, or continue up for a longer pitch. Many good variations from here to the top. Good climbing excellent protection.
T.C. Aug 6, 2018
Adam Hammer
CT
  5.8
[Hide Comment] PG-13? I thought this route was vey G. The only "PG" part of it could have been the finger but you're not falling off that thing Sep 16, 2018
Andy Casler
Northfield, NH
  5.9 PG13
[Hide Comment] Consider the finger of fate and the substantial amount of loose rock Sep 17, 2018
T C
Bozeman, MT
 
[Hide Comment] I also think that it is very much a G rated climb, no way it is PG-13 rated. Sep 24, 2018
Brent D
New England
 
[Hide Comment] The PG-13 rating comes from the finger of fate and the unprotected slab moves above it. At that point you are about 10-15 feet above your last piece of pro, and a fall would result in a serious injury. The moves aren't really that hard, but they have high consequences. Nov 13, 2018
Scott Jeffers
  5.8+
[Hide Comment] Summary of the day:

We parked at the described parking lot in the description. Hiked about 5-10 mins to the big boulder (about 12' tall) with a sign post on the other side of path. Right past this, the trail shoulder expands for about 20'. The trail is there. Followed boulder field as describe to Reppy's. I found that the beta for the Reppy's page helped a lot in finding the route. Reppy's was stiff in my opinion for 5.8 but if confident on crack - the protection is incredible. Crux is about halfway up in the little rest stance visible from the ground. Bolted anchors and ability to TR.

Next pitch I thought was easier despite the more committing roof pull. I did it as a layback pulling into some nice hand jams and right hand crimp. After all the foot-jamming and hand-jamming from Reppy's I felt like a pro at that point. ***WARNING*** Our 60m rope ran out before the better trad anchor belay to the right so had to belay from looser rocks and cracks about 40' above the roof. There is a big rock there that takes great gear, but my partner fell on the roof and the rock wiggled!!! The feeling haunts me. Just take note about that rock. It is shown in the photo starting with "8/2/15" behind the belayer (looks like his back is against it). It could fall and be devastating. I think I saw some rap anchors here too and seems like you could bail after pitch 2.

The rest of the climb was much easier with many variations available. I'll list a few highlights. For the finger, we ended up belaying from an obvious grassy patch to the right of the finger. It brought the grade down to 5.4/5 and regret missing the exciting finger. There is no gear unless you have something huge, but it is a very easier single slab move to perfect gear. If you made it this far, I doubt you'll be fazed.

When you're at the fallen pillar, we ended up climbing up about half way up, then pulling the roof move out right. It seems a bit more intimidating than it is and easy if you use the feet holds on the face.

A few traverses here and there depending on your path, so make sure to protect your follower.

TONS of annoying little black flies. We did this July 5th, 2019 and went through a bunch of bug spray. I think we applied 4 times throughout the climb.

A note on the down. From the final belay station at the top, walk directly to climbers right. You should see that helicopter pad everyone was talking about. If you go directly up then you'll end up have more bush whacking. The directions from here are good, but the trail is certainly not great. Again, the flies were terrible here. We jumped in the lake after by the parking lot. I wish we stored some beers in the creek as they would've been great!

Good luck out there. This is certainly a great climb. I would say if you are worried about it, try Reppy's. If you get through Reppy's, the second pitch is a little easier. If you get through that, you're golden (assuming weather). There are raps rings for both so if it's too much, consider Whitney Gilman.

Hope this helps someone! Jul 10, 2019
Timo G
Keene, NH
[Hide Comment] just did moby grape today, and after the finger of fate pitch, we accidentally went straight up through three bolts and some harder slab moves. Does anyone know what route or variation this is? Jul 28, 2019
Etha Williams
Twentynine Palms, CA
[Hide Comment] Apologies if this is an ignorant question, but can anyone clarify why the route is listed as 5.8 but P2 is described as 5.9? I know that the route is stiff for the grade--is the description trying to suggest it should actually be given a grade of 5.9, historic/consensus grade notwithstanding?

Also, curious if anyone with smaller hands (me: perfect hands at BD 0.75-1) has input on the difficulty of P1-2 at this size. Aug 1, 2019
Brian
North Kingstown, RI
[Hide Comment] Etha, Grade creep. It has always been a 5.8. You may find the Triangular Roof (crux) to be awkward and hard. When under it just reach up as far as 5'1" will get you and place a #2 Camalot in the crack and clip it short before surmounting the overhang. Aug 1, 2019
Ty Gittins
Bozeman
[Hide Comment] This route on the all time mountain proj top 10 is kinda laughable. Maybe if every pitch was as good as the intro splitter crack. 3.5 stars. FYI, we were pretty sure you could bail after the triangle roof pitch with just a 60m rope with where all the rats nest anchors where up until the finger of fate pitch, but be sure to watch rope ends if you try this.

We did not climb the FOF pitch, so maybe I missed out on some classic climbing, but in reality there are probably 20 moderate routes in Red Rocks alone that are as good or better than this one. Aug 5, 2019
Robert Hall
North Conway, NH
  5.8+ PG13
[Hide Comment] I'll comment on the previous comments:
1) Grade - The Route's Grade is determined by the mean (not avg.) of the grades that people give it when they indicate they've done the route. There is some extra "weight" given to the grade entered by the climber who first enters the route, but with a route this popular that is long-ago "washed away". That being said, 80-90% of the climbers just "tick" the already-route-assigned-grade.

2) I would imagine, having climbed P2 a long time ago with someone "short" the moves are height-dependent.

3) Hey Ty...give us Easterner's a break! Between the rain, snow, bugs, mega-ton rockfalls, and July-Aug humid-heat we need some claim(s) to fame. (BTW the "intro splitter crack" isn't even part of the route's FA route; it was an alternate start to Conn Course long before Moby Grape's FA. ) Aug 6, 2019
Ming
 
[Hide Comment] I have done most of the classic routes at Red Rocks and I can say Ty's comment is laughable. There aren't many routes out there that are as varied in style of climbing as this one. Crack, face, slab, laybacks and bouldery grunt pulls, I can't think of a 5.8 at RR that's as varied in style as this one. Aug 24, 2019
steve chardon
Franconia NH
 
[Hide Comment] Two days ago, we added two bolts to the original start (pitches 1 & 2) to Moby Grape (left of Reppy’s Crack) These pitches (which can be done as one – my preference) have had a massive rock fall since the first ascent; however, they are really fun with excellent and varied climbing (in fact I find them much more enjoyable than Reppy’s - personal opinion is that the pitches should be considered 5.9 and I would carry a standard Moby Grape rack including 2-#1's, 2-#2's, a #3 and a #4). Please read the rest of this post and reflect on it thoughtfully. Firstly, these two bolts were added after consultation with and approval from both of the first ascentionists (to be very clear here, there is no approval or intention to add any other bolts or anchors anywhere else on the entire climb). Secondly, I would like to share some background regarding this action and others to come. I started climbing on Cannon Cliff in 1972 and have a few first ascents. I personally know many of the first ascentionists and we have had numerous discussions over the past year regarding anchor and bolt replacement and safety improvement. We have reached a consensus that, generally speaking, we would like to improve anchor safety by replacing existing pin/fixed nut anchors with ring anchors and that we would like to replace old bolts and, in some cases, old pins with new bolts. We also agree that, due to more recent (post 1970's) rock fall as well as known loose rock conditions, we should add (a few) bolts where there is agreement among us that a bolt would significantly improve safety. We have all immensely enjoyed our relationship with Cannon cliff and would hate to see a terrible accident due to gear failure (of our 40 to 50 year old gear) or due to foreseeable danger. Please respect the work that we do and please do not remove it or tamper with it. Steve Chardon & many others. Aug 30, 2019
Sarah Welch
Boston, MA
[Hide Comment] I don't think small hands (BD 0.75 - 1) have any more difficulty on Reppy's or the Triangle Roof, maybe the difficulties just occur in different places. Getting out of the pod on Reppy's is probably the hardest part because above the pod the crack is the widest and therefore the most insecure. At that point, the crack is a bit wider than my feet and wider than my fist would like. For the triangle roof, it starts as underclings and laybacks, and then once established with your foot on the left arete, transitions to jams. I think the crack is a little wide for "easy" jams, but I find a left hand thumbs down jam is very secure. My right hand is in a layback position and then I shove the left hand into the crack in a fist/cupped position, but with the thumb pointing down. It is a bit contorted on the wrist since the crack leans to the right and you therefore have to rotate your left hand inward further than usual. However, my wrist joint presses on the right side and my knuckles on the left; this secure enough to transition out of the layback and get the right foot established on the face. Sep 5, 2019
Matt Martin
Boulder, CO
  5.8+ PG13
[Hide Comment] Wow what a good climb. Do it do it do it. Just keep in mind there are some sections that may be spooky for the follower if they are not solid at the 5.8 grade. With that said, here's some beta from our climb.

Strongly recommend triples in #2 and doubles in #3 C4 sizes. The #2 is a popular size on the entire route, not just Reppy's. Singles in everything smaller and a healthy rack of nuts and RPs will be adequate.

Regarding the gear at the top of the finger...A 00 metolius was bomber in that little pod. A .1 BD would probably work too. However at that point you probably don't even need the gear. 5.5/5.6 slab to the end of pitch.

Don't underestimate P5 (next pitch above the finger after moving the belay left.) I'd call this pitch solid 5.7 PG and perhaps the mental crux of the route. The boulder start is unprotected, but not too difficult. Just be ready for a couple moves of committing 5.7. Also the slabs up to the cave are kinda weird... we trended to the RIGHT and it felt about 5.7 PG-13. The slab to the left looked much harder.

The rest of the route....classic Cannon rockaneering sounds about right. These last pitches had some thinly protected traversing (the way we went) and this is where a follower not solid at 5.8 may be uncomfortable. Kurts Corner is probably a better option than the standard finish. Also have a plan if you and your partner cannot hear each other. Enjoy Sep 19, 2019
Kate Otte
Philadelphia
  5.8
[Hide Comment] My all-time favorite route! Classic! I would describe the pitches like this...
P1 - 5.8 - this is more of a hand crack the whole way up. A real ankle-breaker! You'll be good with 3 #2s. save a #2 for the last 1/4th of the crack.
P2 - 5.7 - a short pitch through a squeeze flume and then build a belay below the roof. You can avoid the squeeze by going out right and that makes this pitch ~5.4. The party below us linked this with P3.
P3 - 5.8 - triangle roof. I don't think this is a 5.9 roof...it also protects very well. might be best to clip direct to the piece if you're insecure so you don't fall onto the slab below.
P4 - 5.6(?) - don't remember any hard moves on this pitch, you just start going up-right, follow the blocks, then eventually do a cool short traverse onto the "sickle", right below the fickle finger.
P5 - 5.7 (?) - fickle finger - really wild and great exposure! But the moves are more heady than technically difficult. My partner put a long sling on the end of the finger and got in a nut over to the right before going up.
P6 - 5.7 - a boulder problem start, so might be good to ask your belayer for a spot. The rock quality on this pitch and those above are fine and not much different from the rest of the route...this pitch has an "alpine" route-finding feel, as the line isn't totally obvious.
P7 - 5.7+ - the cave. Wild step across move! But easily protected.
P8 - 5.8 Kurt's corner - would highly recommend this finish - this is the corner up left from where you build a belay. A great finish following a series of cracks in the corner. This pitch is a bit of a rope-stretcher if done with a 60.
Slabby topout - We belayed each other up the last slab section since it was wet.

Both times I've done this route we've had issues finding the descent and spent a good amount of time bushwhacking. Sep 30, 2019
[Hide Comment] A climber died on this route due to rockfall cutting his rope in September 2020. More details here: gripped.com/news/rock-climb… Oct 21, 2020
Will WB
Sacramento, CA
  5.8 PG13
[Hide Comment] Just to put a dissenting opinion out there, I didn't personally see the enormous appeal of the climb. For how long it was, there seemed to be only a few parts that stood out (the triangle roof and the sickle among them) and many parts that were obscure and unremarkable. We were not the only party to resort to climbing a tree that day. With the traffic leading to parties climbing all over each other, potential rockfall, and quite unclear route (we were told when we got back in the parking that "there are like a million ways up that thing") the appeal just wasn't there. Clearly many, many people have a great day on this and I'm stoked for them, but it was just a decent day out on a route that didn't stand out for us. It was too wet to reach Kurt's Corner so maybe that ending would change it, but I don't think we'll be finding out. Apr 8, 2021
John Ely
Washington D.C.
 
[Hide Comment] Ok so I'm just complaining because Mountain Project algorithms has described this as the best 5.8 in north America or where ever else they seem to think is worth contemplating. Shame on these algorithms, and perhaps think of Bridwell's Braille Book, or something like the roof in the Gunks named Ape Call...or Modern Times......or the one called Bonnies Roof.....also there is Robbin's nutcracker.....

youtube.com/watch?v=5qkfBP8… May 23, 2021
[Hide Comment] More than the sum of its part, easy and quick descent. May 25, 2021
steven jacques
Hagerstown MD
  5.8
[Hide Comment] I remember on the finger of fate pitch, i believe you can do a lateral dyno to a sickle as a variation. super easy, but just the funniest move ever at that height. reminded me of a V0 bouldering dyno moves that get set up in the gym sometimes. you have to downclimb into the jump position. spans like 5 feet. Jun 20, 2021
Jason H
Reno, NV
 
[Hide Comment] Just a quick response to Steven's comment above: For those that can reach, the sickle can be reached statically with a slightly dynamic bump to get both hands on it. Awesome move, great route!! Jul 21, 2021
[Hide Comment] The flake used to build an anchor above the finger of fate sounds very hollow (P4 anchor). I would be nervous taking a large fall on it, if using cams. May be worth shifting belays and moving left to help with the next pitch. Sep 27, 2021
Ryan Crochiere
Fairfax, CA
 
[Hide Comment] Fantastic moderate route with very consistent 5.7-8 climbing. My second time on this thing my buddy almost got killed by Rockfall while walking around at the base. Be careful up there this route will probably fall down in the next 30 to 50 years. Jun 3, 2022
[Hide Comment] The Boulder Problem pitch was soaked, as usual, so we decided to head straight up the bolted slab above the Finger of Fate. It goes at about hard 5.9 slab with some vegetated ledges and long moderate run-outs above. Heading straight up then a little left will get you directly at the base of The Cave. This was a great alternative to the often wet, awkward, and poorly protected Boulder Problem if you're comfortable at the grade. Jun 8, 2022
Sam Elander
Salt Lake City, UT
 
[Hide Comment] What a Gem!
-Do the FULL route. It's a great one to top out and fun adventure climbing. Mostly easy climbing on this. (traingular roof is the crux)
-I didn't really notice that much loose rock.
-Do Kurt's Corner! It's great and ends the route on a grea note. (Just make sure to put a stopper or cam in the edge of the corner when coming into it, or you'll get your rope nice and snagged like mine. Jul 20, 2022
[Hide Comment] Route finding get's tough after the Boulder Problem. There's a lot of variations you can do to make progress upward on the final 2 pitches and it's easy to get onto blank slippery slab with slim pro. I thought the cruxes were exiting the Pod on Reppys and the Triangular Roof. We screwed up the descent and bushwhacked halfway down before hitting The Old Man trail, not sure where the real walk off was. This climb really lived up to the hype. Every pitch has something fun, interesting and it never really eases off. If you live in the East this should be on your list.

The descent trail off the top of the Old Man used to start at the very end of the fiberglass water diversion runnel. Because water helped bushes grow, often the first few feet were obstructed. R Hall Admin. Aug 15, 2022
[Hide Comment] did this >30yr ago (maybe 1990). party at the cave, and it was getting late, so sometime after finger, we traversed right into a gully. sketchy, looser 1.5 pitches, but nothing harder than 5.7

I know the rack from those days....
full set of cams, aka #1, #2, #3 camalot smaller and larger didn't exist.
set of nuts
maybe some tricams, because tricams were cool Sep 4, 2022
[Hide Comment] Route finding after the cave pitch is tricky. I was misled by some chalk-marked handholds on the right side after passing the horizontal splitter, which turned out to be far too right and less features on wall. If you want to go to Kurt's corner, better to heading to diagonal left early. Sep 12, 2022
Jack Atwater
New York
  5.8
[Hide Comment] You can skip the PG13 slab after the finger if you are approx >6'4". Stand on the left edge of the finger and reach for a juggy flake. I was very happy to find this escape. Sep 26, 2022
[Hide Comment] a milestone for me Jan 23, 2023
Grant Simmons
North Conway, NH
[Hide Comment] In response to the comment from 6/21/23 about the large, loose block on Pitch 4: I was on route today and didn't notice anything looser than usual. That pitch certainly requires quite a bit of thoughtful climbing and attention to detail as there is plenty of loose rock around, but I just wanted to mention that I don't think things have gotten any worse up there this season. Jul 6, 2023
Charles Arpin
Saint-Hubert
 
[Hide Comment] See this video on youtube if you need more infos on beta : youtube.com/watch?v=-ULgghQ…
Complete route .

Cheers Aug 22, 2023
Clay Thomas
Boston, Mass.
[Hide Comment] I really enjoyed the original first pitch for the variety - it had more granite tech and a cool stand up / rock-over move.

Despite the two added bolts, a #4 (I'm pretty sure? maaaybe even larger) is required to make the very bottom non-sketchy. I'd take 1 x #3 and 1 x #4 if doing the original (and then full route) again, and I might take 2 x #3 if doing Reppy's start (though 1 x #3 is also fine). Sep 30, 2024