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Doub-Griffith

5.11c, Trad, 3 pitches,  Avg: 3.9 from 116 votes
FA: ah, teenage Eric Doub and Christian Griffith, 1981
Colorado > Boulder > Eldorado Canyon SP > Redgarden Wall > Redgarden - Tower One
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Description

Per Marshall W: it seems that the description for this route disappeared [requested by the submitter], so figured I would do a short write up with the help of Levin's guidebook.

This is a route of immense historical significance that was put up by Eric Doub and Christian Griffith when they were teenagers. Frowned upon in its day for rap bolting tactics, it has stood the test of time and is a must for any aspiring Eldo climber. This one has a bit of a reputation, but don’t let it deter you. The P3 runout is 5.9ish and very manageable. The historical significance of this route cannot be overstated.

The D-G starts on a small island ledge to the left of Super Slab the super slab start. There are two options to reach this ledge and the base of the climb. Option 1) scramble the upper ramp and locate the base of Super Slab. Do an exposed 5.4 scramble up and left from Super Slab to reach the base of the D-G. Option 2) hike up to Vertigo Ledge and do a short down climb to the base of D-G. This is a good option if you plan to do the vertigo rappels since you can leave your bag at the base of the rappels. Bang, bang.

There are two popular options for the opening pitches of this route: the original Doub-Griffith or the Dubious Graffiti variation. Dubious Graffiti is a more independent, more direct line with more 5.11 cruxes making it a more popular option.

The original Doub-Griffith:

P1: pull through a bulge off of the island ledge and head straight up on laybacks and finger locks. Follow the seam to its top and work straight right around the arete to the Super Slab belay, pumpy 5.11-, 80 feet.

P2: head straight up the corner at 5.6 until you see a bolt to your left on the arete. Follow two bolts and a pin through delicate 5.11- slab moves and scamper up to the exposed belay below the crux pitch, 5.11-, 120 feet.

P3: this is the reason you are here! This pitch oozes with historical significance. Traverse down and left to the arete, then go up to clip the first bolt. Take a deep breath, and then cast off towards bolt number two. Continue to follow the arete past three more bolts. Work right after the last bolt to meet up with Super Slab via heroic 5.9 jug hauling to the upper ramp. One can also take the more direct 5.12a variation straight up the overhanging arete for bonus points, 5.11c, 100 feet.

Dubious Graffiti variation:

P1: pull through the bulge off of island ledge, and follow the crack up via laybacks and finger locks. Once at the top of the seam, work LEFT towards a small roof protected by a bolt. After pulling the roof, gain a stance and belay, 5.11-, 70 feet.

P2: work right to the arete past two bolts. Continue straight up, and meet up with the D-G higher up on the arete, 5.11b, 120 feet.

P3: this is the same as the original D-G.

You completed a historically significant ascent of one of the best 5.11s in Colorado. Great work.

Protection

The typical Eldo stuff, including RPs and TCUs. The upper pitch is bolt protected, but the bolts are widely spaced.

Per pfinnegan: the P2 pin is broken! Per Matt Reeser: the pin is back.

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A scramble up The Doub-Griffith.<br>
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Photo by Cedar Wright.
[Hide Photo] A scramble up The Doub-Griffith. Photo by Cedar Wright.
Eric Doub, climber.
[Hide Photo] Eric Doub, climber.
Scott Bennett on the first ascent of the "DG Direct Finish".<br>
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Photo by Mike Schlauch.
[Hide Photo] Scott Bennett on the first ascent of the "DG Direct Finish". Photo by Mike Schlauch.
Nicola balestra leading the 3rd pitch on a sunny <br>
day in November
[Hide Photo] Nicola balestra leading the 3rd pitch on a sunny day in November
Rob in the middle of the ~25ft runout to the next good gear....
[Hide Photo] Rob in the middle of the ~25ft runout to the next good gear....
Pitch 1.
[Hide Photo] Pitch 1.
Rob getting psych'ed up for the big runout...
[Hide Photo] Rob getting psych'ed up for the big runout...
The third pitch from below the Super Slab belay. The route traverses straight left to near the arete. Then up the face and, in places, the arete, to the overhanging headwall. It then diagonals right on positive 5.9 or so climbing to meet up with Super Slab near the top.
[Hide Photo] The third pitch from below the Super Slab belay. The route traverses straight left to near the arete. Then up the face and, in places, the arete, to the overhanging headwall. It then diagonals righ…
At the 3rd bolt after the step up move. We moved straight left to the arete from here to a thin layback flake (that takes a green Alien) and then up the arete. These moves left were the crux of the route for me following. Very thin feet then layback with no feet. It looks like you could climb straight up from where Vern is.
[Hide Photo] At the 3rd bolt after the step up move. We moved straight left to the arete from here to a thin layback flake (that takes a green Alien) and then up the arete. These moves left were the crux of the…
After the crux. There's a hard move up the the fixed nut (the third piece of gear) and then another hard move up and right. It's not really a finger crack--it's closed off except for a few openings which we used as laybacks. The original route went right from where Verne is, around the corner to the Super Slab P1 belay. The 11a roof variation is up and left from Vern. The recommended route then angles right above the roof to the arete of Dubious Grafitti.
[Hide Photo] After the crux. There's a hard move up the the fixed nut (the third piece of gear) and then another hard move up and right. It's not really a finger crack--it's closed off except for a few openings…
Looking down from the top of the new 12a bolted variation on the last pitch.
[Hide Photo] Looking down from the top of the new 12a bolted variation on the last pitch.
James getting the TR onsight on the crux pitch. Great way to get a little scared on Halloween....
[Hide Photo] James getting the TR onsight on the crux pitch. Great way to get a little scared on Halloween....

Comments [Hide ALL Comments]

[Hide Comment] I think this is one of the best route I have done in the canyon. I like it almost as much as The Naked Edge. I don't think it gets done nearly as much. Although it has been nearly five years since I have done the route I don't remember the first pitch being quite as hard as 11c. Steve is right on with the gear though, a couple of TCUs will give you all the malcomb you need on the finger crack first pitch.The last pitch is completely spectacular. Nov 6, 2001
justin dubois
Estes Park
[Hide Comment] Not as long, but more consistently difficult than the Edge. Pound for pound, it is every bit as good. No crowds on this thing!! Jan 11, 2002
[Hide Comment] I heard a rumor that if a climber fell in a particular spot on the 1st pitch that there was rope-cut potential over a sharp edge. Anyone care to confirm? Apr 29, 2002
[Hide Comment] If you are doing the "Dubious Graffiti" middle pitch from top of pitch 1 Superslab, the bolt is clipped around the sharp arete on the left, and you climb on the right. If you fall the rope could get cut, but you'd have to be really unlucky. Apr 29, 2002
Jason Nelson
Ouray, CO
[Hide Comment] Instead of going right after the crux on Pitch 1, a nice alternative is to go slightly left, clip a bolt above the roof, pull the roof (maybe 11a) and belay on the small ledge just above. You also don't have to worry so much about the rope cutting over the arete on the next pitch if you go this way. It also makes for a more independant line.Great Route! Jan 6, 2003
Joe Collins
Boulder, CO
[Hide Comment] I agree with Jason: the left option through the roof after the 1st pitch crux is more in keeping with the character of the climb (i.e. avoiding the belay at the top of Super Slab pitch 1). Better yet, instead of setting a belay after pulling the roof, continue up past the bolt protecting the next 5.11 section on the arete. Once past this section conitnue up to a good belay ledge, which is actually the top of pitch 2 of Super Slab. There may be a bit of rope drag if you started the climb from the base of Super Slab... this can be remedied by moving the starting belay to the flat spot directly below the first pitch of D-G.

Incredible climb! Best to warm up by climbing Suparete to the top of the lower ramp. May 7, 2003
Ken Duncan
Ft Collins, CO
  5.11c
[Hide Comment] The third pitch is my favorite Eldo pitch of all time. Sep 15, 2004
Ivan Rezucha
Fort Collins, CO
  5.11b
[Hide Comment] There's a pretty good beta photo under Mickey Mouse Nailup that shows the upper 2 pitches Doub Griffith/Dubious Graffiti very clearly--it more or less falls the sun/shadow line on the right side of the photo. May 29, 2005
[Hide Comment] If, after the short first pitch, your intent is to climb Dubious Graffiti, it is best to forego the belay on the small ledge above the roof and continue to the good ledge system at the base of the final pitch. The extended pitch is about 150' of fabulous climbing with many 11 crux sections. May 30, 2005
Steve Annecone
Boulder, CO
 
[Hide Comment] IMHO, the best route in Eldo! Spectacular position and exposure, and plenty of variety make this one wild ride. Although there is plenty of spice throughout, the harder portions are all well protected and I think the "s" would pertain to only 5.9 or perhaps up to 10b sections. If you can climb 11b or c, I don't think the serious rating would be a problem. Also, unless you are way honed, a good solid warm up is highly recommended since the first pitch may present a flash pump challenge otherwise. Very nice route description and I strongly concur with the Psycho Pigeon continuation! Jul 1, 2005
Guy H.
Fort Collins CO
  5.11c R
[Hide Comment] At the 3rd bolt on the final pitch, you can follow a natural weakness about 3ft to the right of the bolt line. The smallest ball nuts and a green Alien will protect this section. You can then traverse back to the 4th bolt (which is at your feet) and continue with the regular line. It would difficult to clip the 4th bolt, so place gear instead. Mar 6, 2006
Bob Rotert
Broomfield
 
[Hide Comment] I think this is definitely one of the best and one of my favorite routes in Eldo!! Classic!!! I have always called combining Super Arete and this route with Mellow Yellow and with the 12 finish out the old A4 seam right of the normal finish on Mellow Yellow. The Astro Man of Eldorado... What a line and lots of great continuous climbing the whole way. May 24, 2006
Rob Kepley
Westminster, CO
  5.11c
[Hide Comment] No question about it. This is one of the best climbs around. Spectacular from start to finish! The last pitch is truly amazing. Great movement and position with just enough spice to get your pulse racing. I could climb this route everyday for a month and never get bored. Awesome day Guy! Apr 1, 2007
Rob Kepley
Westminster, CO
  5.11c
[Hide Comment] As a matter of fact, we passed Eric on the way out yesterday after climbing DG. Cool Apr 2, 2007
Mike Munger
Boulder, Colorado
[Hide Comment] Just FYI; There is a 5.10'ish rising traverse that starts from the first bolt on the third pitch and joins Super Slab as it turns the roof. May 18, 2007
[Hide Comment] Does anybody know if this loose flake was involved in the recent accident? I believe it was this route...

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[Hide Comment] wcurudy - it most definitely is.
Really unfortunate, as it is a cool route. May 16, 2008
Scott Bennett
Western North America
  5.11b PG13
[Hide Comment] Great route, with a bunch of cool possibilities for fun link-ups. We did Bob's "Astroman of Eldo" link-up of Superarete->DG->Mellow Yellow. 5 consecutive pitches of quality 5.11!
I do agree with one of the above comments about the "3rd" pitch (it's easy to combine p1&2 and do the whole route in 2 pitches). On the last pitch, if one follows the line of least resistance at the 3rd bolt, it will take you up and right all the way to Super slab. I went this way, placing 2 small cams, and ended up about even with the 4th bolt and unable to traverse back "on-route". I ended up traversing back a bit higher and rejoining DG at its 5th bolt. I think this variation avoids the 11c crux of the pitch, making it more like 11a/b.
So I guess this means that the crux of DG is a bit contrived, but it looked good so I'll have to try to go the true way next time.
-Scott Mar 2, 2009
Hank Caylor
Livin' in the Junk!
[Hide Comment] Scott, nice job and what a great day to be up there. Yall' did "Bob's Astroman of Eldo", did you guys really think the Mellow Yellow part of the link up was still 5.11 tho? That would be proud! Mar 2, 2009
claytown
Boulder, CO
 
[Hide Comment] Followed Rotert up the upper 2 pitches of the Doub yesterday with wind 20s - 30. Props to Bob as it's pretty rowdy when windy.

We did the Ruper start to Roll Over Rover and then traversed hard left all the way back to the arete and finish up the last two pitches of the Doub... silly linkup as you will be crossing straight over Grand Giraffe and Art's Spar, so not a great idea if it's busy. Mar 19, 2010
Hank Caylor
Livin' in the Junk!
[Hide Comment] But that ain't the DG. Let's rope up up.

Edit too add, BURLY! Mar 19, 2010
Noah McKelvin
Nomad
  5.11c R
[Hide Comment] AMAZING...Go do it! I also will say the Dubious Graffiti is the way to go. You can combine the pitches into one awesome pitch with quite a bit of 5.11. Had a bit of rope to spare with a 60m. Don't need to much of a rack. RPs and TCUs. Apr 28, 2012
Taylor Roy
Salt Lake City, UT
  5.11c R
[Hide Comment] There is a 25 foot runout between bolts 1 and 2 on the third pitch. Not particularly hard (5.9ish) but very scary. I vote for an R rating since a fall trying to clip the second bolt would be ugly. Mar 30, 2013
Eric Doub
Boulder, CO
[Hide Comment] I see the 2013 comment on the runout between the first and third bolts on the third pitch. You bet! Consider (from my armchair, I am considering) that on the FA the first bolt was AT THE CRUX. The current first bolt wasn't even there; as a teenager with the motto for leading of "Don't ever let the belayer get bored!" I simply ran it out from the Super Slab belay to the crux. Why would you need any pro for a 5.8 slab? Nowadays that sure seems like 5.10... and I recall Lidija Painkijer (the Painkiller, or the Pocket Russian) leading out from the belay, before someone retro-bolted the current first bolt, and crying out more than once, "Thees iz no five eeeiiight!" She was right.

It's great to see the enjoyment this route has brought through the years. Feb 26, 2014
[Hide Comment] A new 12a direct finish has been added to the Doub-Griffith per Park, ACE, and public review & approval in early 2014. From the last bolt on the DG (at the base of the final 5.10 headwall), look up and left for 2 bolts. It's pretty obvious - climb the hanging arete that forms the summit of the Vertigo tower. Cool position and well-protected 5.12 climbing.

The climbing to the first new bolt is about 10+. There is an optional, yellow Alien-sized placement before you start traversing left toward the first bolt.

The climbing gets progressively harder, with the crux just past the second new bolt. After pulling the crux, there is a good #2 Camalot placement in a pocket that will provide a directional for the second after they clean the last bolt. The climbing eases quickly toward the summit of the Vertigo tower. It's really nice to have a large sewn runner or cordalette (>6' diameter) to loop around the top of the tower for an anchor / directional. Belay in the normal DG / Super Slab belay spot below the summit of the tower. Optionally, you could also get good hand sized cams down behind the summit of the tower in the Vertigo crack, but you'd need a lot of long runners to reach back over the tower.

FA: Scott Bennett, April 18, 2014. Apr 28, 2014
Ben Crawford
  5.11c
[Hide Comment] Sophia and I did this today with the Dubious Graffiti variation. Incredible climbing! On the third pitch, we followed the natural weakness which led about 5 feet right of the 4th bolt. It seemed pretty difficult to traverse back over, so I would recommend stepping left to the arete after the 3rd bold. I'll have to go back soon to charge the arete. Sep 4, 2015
Monty
Golden, CO
  5.11c PG13
[Hide Comment] Just when I didn't think this route could get any better, someone goes and does something awesome like bolting the airy direct finish! Thanks for the fine addition, boys! Mar 1, 2016
Japhy Dhungana
Boulder, CO
  5.11c PG13
[Hide Comment] Beautiful climbing on the best of Eldo rock!

Amendment to the description: better approach logistics is to actually hike all the way up to Vertigo ledge and do the short (10 ft) downclimb (4th class or 5.0) that drops you right at the "island ledge." Doable unroped, and easy to rope up for this short section too. Then you can have your packs and shoes waiting for you on Vertigo ledge when you rap off. Much smoother than climbing all the way up over the Lower Ramp and soloing 5th class moves to the base. The downclimb from Vertigo ledge is much easier than the traverse from Grand Giraffe ledge.

Stellar climb w/ protection in all the right places. The run-outs weren't bad and all on positive holds. May 21, 2016
Christian Mason
Westminster CO
  5.11c PG13
[Hide Comment] Wasps on P1!

Did this today. There is a small wasp nest on p1, about 8 feet after pulling the roof. I was nearly through the balancy roof moves and was pretty happy to see a left sidepull that looked like it would be a positive hold to relax on.

I noticed it had a bit of a finger pocket deeper in it, so I wiggled my fingers in deeper for more purchase and immediately felt wings buzzing against them.

Luckily I was seconding, so I just jumped off. 3-4 wasps flew out and spent a few minutes dive bombing the rock and generally looking pissed off, before flying off. With rope stretch, I fell about 6 feet below them, and they didn't seem to notice me. Subsequent visual inspection showed a small nest in the back of the seam. It appeared to be abandoned (after they flew out), and after a few falls trying to do the move without using that hold, I sucked it up and stuck my fingers back in there.

Fortunately they let my partner pass without reacting at all, he told me he didn't burrow his fingers into the pocket the way I did, so they apparently tolerated him being right over the nest.

Just a heads up, since encountering these guys could lead to more "exciting" times on lead. Sep 3, 2016
WadeM
Auburn, Ca
 
[Hide Comment] Combined 1&2 nicely with a single rack, didn't find a need for RPs, pro to BD #1.

Stellar climbing.

5.11 Arete tour of Redgarden:
Suparete - bolts and single rack,
Doub-Griffith - bolts and single rack,
Naked Edge - pro to 2".

Such a good afternoon! Feb 6, 2017
Connor Johnstone
Lexington, KY
[Hide Comment] Just wanted to leave a PSA here, even though it's been mentioned as a possibility earlier. I took a 40 footer on the second pitch today when a hold broke and a cam popped and cut through the sheath and about 50%-60% of the core of my rope. Definitely be considerate of the possibility of your rope being cut on P2 (of the Dubious Grafitti variation). Either run it out with no pieces on the right side of the arete or (preferably) bring half ropes or something. The rope-cutting nature of the arete is not just a possibility, I've now seen it happen with my own eyes. Apr 20, 2019
[Hide Comment] The arete is sharp. An easy solution is don't place gear until you are established at the stance above that bolt! It is 1-2 hard moves followed by a jug.

P2 seems to have fewer pins every time I climb it. Aug 6, 2019
[Hide Comment] Rad line, pro only where you need it. Stay away from this if you're not a confident leader. Jun 18, 2020
Marshall W
Boulder, CO
  5.11b/c PG13
[Hide Comment] A great line on the most brilliant feature in the park. As mentioned, the obvious weakness moves right at the 3rd bolt and follows the flakes and jugs to meet back up with Super Slab. Following the most obvious line is probably 11a. Staying on the arete is contrived, although the position there is spectacular. Regardless, this is a new favorite of mine. May 8, 2021
Gregger Man
Broomfield, CO
[Hide Comment] All 7 lead bolts (pitches 2 & 3 on D-G proper) have been upgraded to 1/2" stainless 5-piece. The P2 pin is still just a knifeblade, so adjust your expectations accordingly. Nov 27, 2021
Brian Carver
Louisville, CO
 
[Hide Comment] I’m confused. What is the way that is most likely to cut your rope? P1 Super Slab belay into P2 Dubious? Any above average rope cut danger if you just follow Dubious proper? Jul 22, 2022
P K
out west
[Hide Comment] This is my favorite route in Eldo. I have done it in several configurations. Here is some beta for the best DG experience:

Most do the Doub-Griffith (DG) via Super Slab (SS), because getting to the DG original start is a bit sketchy whether you come from 1) the base of Vertigo or 2) the top of The Upper Ramp. Either way, it is a loose traverse to get to the good ledge at the base. I'd suggest bringing a BD 1 and 2 for a bomber ground anchor.

P1. Climbing the original P1 start is worth it, because it has some of the best rock in Eldo. Climb past perfect pods to a bolt that protects a bulge. The gear anchor at the top of the original P1 is not great. If you belay here, you can incorporate the first bolt of the Dubious Graffiti variation into your anchor with a long sling. It's better to clip the bolt and link P1/P2 (Dubious Graffiti) for a 55m mega-pitch.

P2. If linking pitches, you will have to run it out on the easier bit of the second pitch of Dubious Graffiti after the first bolt. You can place gear in the hand crack on P2 of SS, but you will want to extend it with a quad-length sling so the rope runs left over the arete. The climbing here is 5.8 or easier. Getting to the next bolt is easy, but you will be RTFO (run the f out). A locker draw is recommended if you're a pansy like me. Continue 15m to the belay.

The belay under the crux pitch is a bit finicky. It's nice to have a BD #1, 0.3 or 0.4, and an assortment of nuts for this anchor.

P3. Do the DG direct. It's safe and airy and even if you fall on the .12- bit you've sent the Doub. Bring 7 draws (1 locker draw), a blue Metolius-sized piece, a 0.75 (or #2?) on a double length to protect your follower after the last bolt, and 0.3, 0.4, 0.5, and 0.5 for a belay.

Do not sling the top of the tower for the belay, it is too rounded, and when I tried, my cordelette slipped off and nearly sent me for a 60 footer off the Vertigo Spire. Instead, work down and right about 25 feet to a shallow crack for a belay. This will allow you to lean over the edge and take cool pictures while your partner sends the gnar.

The best long 5.11 in Eldo other than The Edge is Suparete -> DG Direct -> Psycho Pigeon. It's something like 7 pitches of 5.11 and all clean, safe rock. Jun 13, 2024