[Hide Comment] keep in mind that the climb was done by steve grossman! and if your just breaking into the grade then get a Bunch of other .10-'s under your belt first. Oct 3, 2004

[Hide Comment] Althought it should be noted that there's plenty of pro on the route, so you can aid past just about any hard part. Especially the crux. Oct 4, 2004

[Hide Comment] who would want to do that? wait until the lead is a serious challenge. don't get on it when you have to aid it! It would be a waste of an incredible climb Oct 4, 2004

[Hide Comment] my main pt in saying that it was steve grossman who did it first was that I think that this climb is stiff for the grade not run-out. I should have made that clear. Oct 4, 2004

[Hide Comment] On the Lemmon, this is a standard 10a crack. A 10a climber with good crack climbing skills does not have problems with this straightforward crack climb. Unfortunately, Lemmon is not the place to get those skills. Oct 4, 2004

[Hide Comment] Yeah, I agree that it's pretty stiff for the rating.

You'll never know how good/stiff it is if you don't get on it. I think we've all gotten on some things with a "I hope I can make it" attitude. I know lots of people who do.

Ithink it's good to know that you're not screwed/going to lose gear if it turns out that you can't finish the pitch. Oct 5, 2004

[Hide Comment] My reasoning behind the .10b was....is the crux harder than the crux on Single lense reflex?...Yes. and single lense reflex is a .10- for sure so Centerpiece =.10b..that's how I felt about it. Oct 5, 2004

[Hide Comment] This climb was fun. Good holds, good feet, and plenty of rests to place gear. I was climing it last Saturday (11/13/05) and took a 25' wipper towards the top and I broke my ankel. It was in the crack and twisted as I fell. I had to bail quick so if anyone gets on this amazing climb soon, you'll find a BD #3, #2 and a blue alien I had to leave behind. I hate leaving gear, expecially when it's my friends. So if your feeling kind, write a comment here to let me know if you would be willing to get my gear back to me but if not, you got hooked up. CH Nov 15, 2005

[Hide Comment] I think what Wes said is right on. I led it today and was kinda spanked on the top part (just below the bomber hand crack at the top)where it's a little wide and you have to use a face hold w/ not great feet.

I didn't find it so easy to pull on gear there at the wide spot below the top crack, and thought this was stiff for 5.10. Better to be solid @ 10's before you jump on this one.

Great climb still!!! Dec 1, 2005

[Hide Comment] If you have big fat hands this climb can feel pretty hard. I did this route with my Wyoming buddy "thin-hand" Paul. After I cried about how hard it was, he said "That crack would be 5.8 in Vedauwoo". Ouch. Sep 5, 2006

[Hide Comment] I've always thought Single Lens Reflex was harder than Centerpiece. Plus the direct finish up the face on Single Lens makes it a more interesting climb than Centerpiece.
Weird how one route is harder or easier for different climbers??? Feb 3, 2007

[Hide Comment] I suggest bringing pro from .5" to 2" including 3 x #1 Camalots. I brought 2 #1's and would have easily found a place for the third one. Awesome climb (though the business isn't very long)!! Mar 19, 2007

[Hide Comment] Great finish. too bad the rest of the climbing is less engaging. The grade will depend on hand-size- the smaller the better. I had only a very light rack and I'd placed my 2.5" cam already, so I had to run out at the top with no gear in the crack and so I was facing a long fall. Honestly, with my small hands I felt quite secure. The crux was pulling into the crack over the bulge and getting the feet up. I thought SLR was harder. My partner who has large hands, cruised SLR and dogged this one at the crux. So, I guess it's like Indian Creek climbing- either it fits, or it doesn't.

One thing we can all agree on. Great route! Jan 1, 2008

[Hide Comment] Thanks Joe for the master Beta :-) Jun 19, 2009

[Hide Comment] Great climb. Upper crack was tight hands for me. 10-/10 seems right on. Smaller hands would definitely ease up the crux. Feb 24, 2015