Auto belay accident Netherlands: material failure as likely cause
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What happened? |
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A similar incident happened in Bend a year or two ago. The webbing snapped and dropped the climber. (injured, but I don't think permanently?) At the time there was speculation that it had abraded running over a lip, (the first 10' starts clearing a horizontal roof) but the gym staff inspect the autobelays regularly. I never heard a definitive conclusion after the fact. |
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Max Tepfer wrote: I remember seeing a video of an accident where you could see the webbing continuously being rubbed over a protruding point on the wall. I'm not sure if it was the same accident, but scary nonetheless... |
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Max Tepfer wrote: Happened 1-2 days after new route setting and the webbing was abrading over a rough textured hold at the lip (transition from overhang to slab), the wear happened too fast to be caught by inspection |
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I’m having a hard time thinking of any autobelay I have seen that allows the webbing to run over holds on the wall. From what I’ve seen in the 20-30 gyms I have visited is that the autobelays are not typically mounted on the same plane as the wall below—instead, they are mounted out away from the wall a very short distance such that the webbing never touches the wall. Is there an industry standard in this regard? Maybe I just haven’t seen enough gyms to have come across this issue. So sorry for the climber and hope she/he recovers quickly and completely. |
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Daniel Joder wrote: As far as I know it was a straight wall, and the gyms I've been to in the Netherlands with auto belays have the belays mounted away from the wall as you said. Also, the people I spoke with would have mentioned something like that as a possibility (and the photo's of the wall seem straight as well) |
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Another thing I have a question about… the webbing in autobelays seems extra burley, so in my mind it would take a lot to wear through it. I certainly could be wrong, just wondering aloud. I don’t know much about autobelay construction, but is it possible for the tape to detach from the mechanism? Anyway, we (meaning “me”) are probably doing too much speculation at this point. I’ll be very interested to see a more comprehensive accident report as I use autobelays a lot. |
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Daniel Joder wrote: I'll look for the HowNot2 video when I have time. I am also baffled about this, and want to know more about the cause(s). I certainly will update this thread when there is more news. In the meantime you could consider downclimbing when using auto belays as a precaution |
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Found it. The video is called “When does an autobelay explode?” On YouTube by HowNot2. I can’t figure out how to link it using my phone. |
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Daniel Joder wrote: I have seen the video you mentioned! Pretty solid... Youtubelink: "When does an autobelay explode?" |
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I saw a similar failure happen at the Edge in Melbourne FL. They have Auto-belays set up over an edge that constantly abrades them when a climber is going up under the roof before a slab. They set up a big dino right in the worst spot, a heavy climber jumped and it snapped the webbing. Thankfully, they were able to walk away as it was low enough and they have thick mats even in their rope area. It was clearly a material abrasion issue and did not look like what a new webbing looks like when over strained. Setting up an auto-belay in this way should be against manufacture recommendations, I don't know if it is though. I will never climb on an auto belay I see rubbing like that. With ropes we get away with it because it's only under tension when lowering, but honestly we should always be wary of soft goods rubbing on something while under tension. See beta climbs soft vs hard catch video when the rope is over an edge. |
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In a gym near The Woodlands, TX, autobelay webbing got caught between the sharpe edge of a hold and the wall where there was a gap. I'm sure we have all felt little sharp gaps like this before. Climber didn't notice and climbed a bit, when they fell the webbing broke. This was probably close to 10 years ago now. |
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The trend towards bigger holds and volumes ensures more irregular wear and tear on webbing including quickdraws and autobelay tethers. If the holds/volumes are textured the effects are even worse. Another factor is the tether getting snagged behind a jug, or worse, jamming in a small gap between a hold and the wall. The former usually releases easily, the later can get properly stuck, or worse as in the comment above. Setters need to be very cautious about how holds and autobelays interact. The law of gravity is strictly enforced but so is Murphy's Law. |
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To reiterate something I mentioned above and to form it into a question: Do people climb in gyms where the autobelay mechanism is mounted such that the tape rubs across the wall, edges, holds, or volumes? I personally have never seen that--but then I have yet to visit every gym in the world. If you do see that in your gym I would definitely point it out to the staff. The standard seems to be to have them mounted so that the tape never touches anything. See below... See Para. 4.1.3: Perfect Descent Autobelay Manual See pages 14,18,20: TruBlue Autobelay Manual |
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The standoff helps, but it can't completely eliminate the possibility of the webbing touching things when there is a human element moving the webbing around as they climb. |
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JJ Marcus wrote: You can clearly see this image from the edge in Melbourne the poor autobelay placement. Wow, that is.... Unsettling |
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Yeah, not good. As Desert Rock Sports mentioned, when a person falls on autobelay and flails around a bit, the tape could indeed briefly touch the wall, holds, or volumes…. But this example seems to be deliberately set up to run over that edge. |
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Ignorance is not always bliss. I am forewarned. |