Waste on multi-pitch / bigwall

I’m sure this is an easy one to answer but what is etiquette for human waste on multipitch climbs, especially those with high traffic. I’m assuming a wag bag for #2, but #1?

Feels silly to ask but not sure I’ve ever seen an answer. 

Pee on exposed faces that are off-route. Do your best given the circumstances.

Some dedicated people pack it out on popular bigwalls but it's rare.

Yes please wag Bag. No one wants to stand next to/in someone else’s shit for the next pitch belay

When I first saw this: https://www.wildernessx.com/products/g-whiz-2022 I was like ‘there’s the dumbest idea on the planet.’ Then I was on a multipitch with parties below me all day making peeing really difficult. Having a container to pee in and then pour out at an ideal time and place is actually really useful.  Probably less of an issue on lower angle climbs where it’s easier to wander side to side to find a spot that isn’t right above someone else. 

A pee bottle is very useful, especially when you don't wanna get out of the warm sleeping bag in the cold mornings at camp but also on the wall sometimes. I use an old juice bottle with a painted skull on it.

I like Metolius but see no need to spend 20$ (40 in EU) for a bottle that weighs 3-4 times more.

The first time my wall mentor pulled out a Gatorade bottle and pissed in it, I was like “WTF???” After enough days on EC in late spring/fall, I understood why he did that. Honestly, it’s so simple that I see zero excuse for anyone pissing on the wall, personally. I typically will bring one 32oz Gatorade and 1-2 500ml disposable water bottles… start drinking gatorade early, once half the Gatorade and one of the water bottles is drank, pour the remaining Gatorade into the empty water bottle, viola, now you have a piss bottle with large mouth and very secure lid. Pour it out when you top out (and walk a good ways away for the normal gathering spot(s)) or rap back to ground.

Is it an inconvenience? Yes. Is it a courtesy? Also yes. Thus, it’s hard for me to not see it through the lens of, if you choose to not use a bottle, you’re choosing to *not* be courteous. Opinions are like, well, you know… but that’s my .02

If you're peeing on anything shorter than 7 pitches, you're drinking too much.

For #2, I believe they call it the Mud Falcon.

JaredG wrote:

If you're peeing on anything shorter than 7 pitches, you're drinking too much.

For #2, I believe they call it the Mud Falcon.

Wait till your a bit older Jared ... won't have to do with how much you drink (safely anyway).

If you’re not aware of the legendary Epinephrine Poopocalypse, may i enlighten you. MP history right here.

https://www.mountainproject.com/forum/topic/120220349/epinephrine-conditions

I could see an argument for packing piss up the wall in certain conditions: popular routes during dry periods. But otherwise I see no problem with pissing on the wall, as long as it's not into some fetid corner where it won't get washed away.

JaredG wrote:

If you're peeing on anything shorter than 7 pitches, you're drinking too much.

Absolutely not true.

Jake wander wrote:

Yes please wag Bag. No one wants to stand next to/in someone else’s shit for the next pitch belay

He's asking about pee, not shit.

Marc801 C wrote:

He's asking about pee, not shit.

He said he assumed that you take your shit out. I confirmed he was right to do that. Were you worried I was unnecessarily scolding him (which I wasn’t scolding him) or worried about the 4 seconds I wasted typing a response he may have already known the answer to?

For urine, I use a pop top sports bottle.....the kind you would have on your bike. Because of the pop top and the fact that you can squeeze the bottle, you can direct the flow further away from the climbing line.

For feces, rig up a 'poop bomb'. I made mine from a 20" long piece of ABS pipe, fitted with a glued on cap on one end, and a threaded cap on the other. The tube is rigged with a sling, which allows me to clip it off to haul bag or pack. I pre-rig one gallon ziploc bags with a doubled up paper towel, folded to fit in each bag. When the time comes, remove paper towel and unfold onto your hand, drop your load onto the paper towel, wrap up your poo and put in ziploc, then drop into the poop bomb. I also put about a cup of kitty litter in the bottom of the poop bomb....just in case one of your ziploc bags springs a leak. 

Voila!