TC Pros discontinued? Or a new version coming perhaps? Third Generation?

Noticed many sites have 2nd gen TC pros on closeout. Any insider information? Predictions? Speculations?

Trying to decide it I should pick up another pair before they're gone...

I hope that they make it wider in the forefoot and get rid of the plastic lace protector!

What’s the cheapest they’re going for? Links please 

They are NOT discontinuing the New TC Pro's.

What is happening, is the little pull tabs on the backs of the shoes have material PFAS, "that can cause cancer" as we have seen on various products. California and maybe other states, prohibit the use of those materials......so LS is making the shoes with a new "cancer free" material on those tabs. 

I spoke with a LS rep, who said otherwise the shoe will be exactly the same as is currently available.

That is what the rep at LS told me. He said if I don't mind the old tab, now is a good time to get TC Pro's on sale.

John R wrote:

They are NOT discontinuing the New TC Pro's.

What is happening, is the little pull tabs on the backs of the shoes have material "that can cause cancer" 

Only in Cali.  But it’s a PFAS thing. New laws go into effect Jan 2025. Google it for the details if you care. It will cover a lot of outdoor products. 

Double J wrote:

Only in Cali.  But it’s a PFAS thing. New laws go into effect Jan 2025. Google it for the details if you care. It will cover a lot of outdoor products. 

You are correct.....but that is why LS is making the minor changes to the back of the shoes.....as I was told......

Andrew Bowman wrote:

What’s the cheapest they’re going for? Links please 

Only like 20-25% off...easy to find by searching online.

Thanks for the information guys...that was very helpful!

Andrew Bowman wrote:

What’s the cheapest they’re going for? Links please 

A week ago, I posted a link - steep and cheap had them for $123 + tax and shipping, all sizes. Dead deal now.
Subscribe to the online deals thread... https://www.mountainproject.com/forum/topic/125541486/great-online-deals-of-2024?page=11#ForumMessage-1265514158 

Expect many of these in the coming months/year. Tents, hard shells, etc. everything we use basically..

This was explained here

https://www.mountainproject.com/forum/topic/126470978/la-sportiva-closeout#ForumMessage-126472732

TLDR: It's most likely a switch up in suppliers to eliminate PFAS and other flurinated chemistry in their products to comply with new EU (and a few US states) standards. 

Yes clearly a reaction to the vast numbers of cases of cancer of the back of the foot by Sportiva users!!!!!

I understand that we do need to work to remove potentially dangerous chemicals ( and other things) from the environment, but these regulations seem to be an over reaction. Most likely whatever component replaces the PFAS will be found to have it's own issues. It makes more sense that, unless the problem is acute, the changes should be more limited, focused, and gradual.

and people thought catalytic converters and lead free gas were also overreach by environmental weenies

Matt N wrote:

and people thought catalytic converters and lead free gas were also overreach by environmental weenies

And that mandating seatbelts was a massive government overreach, trampling all over personal freedumbs.

rock climbing wrote:

How about ropes? Those are basically nylon soaked in PFASs. Or is it only stuff we wear.

Nope, most ropes use a PFAS free chemistry for the DWR. 

Alan Rubin wrote:

Most likely whatever component replaces the PFAS will be found to have it's own issues. It makes more sense that, unless the problem is acute, the changes should be more limited, focused, and gradual.

Unlikely as use of PFAS chemistry was grandfathered in to appease industry, items now need to be proven safe before they hit the market. Product effectiveness may be diminished in certain areas, stuff like most PFAS free DWR will no longer be oleophobic and don't last as long so your products may require more frequent washing, but as far as issues go that's fairly limited. 

Regulations should not be limited and slow because the danger of PFAS chemistry is that it bioaccumulates and never breaks down, this means the only way to stop the problem getting even worse is to just stop it completely. 

When the EU passes this kind of legislation it consults both researchers and industry, these are people who know the products and the literature better than any of you. So before you start talking about over reach, stop, take 10 minutes out of your day, do the tiniest bit of research, and Google it. 

It's not to prevent you getting cancer from the shoes, it's to prevent the manufacturing plant from releasing PFAS into the water which people then drink.

rock climbing wrote:

Even that some manufacturers start using other methods pfas are still in a lot of ropes 

Source: I made it up

Hmmm, quite a few other LaSportiva models are suddenly on Closeout; perhaps for the same reason?

rock climbing wrote:

Yes, PTFE and other widely used plastics that use flurinated chemistry use PFAS, the F in PFAS stands for Fluro. So as a sheer matter of weight yes it impacts plastics. 

Rubber may be the addition of some PFAS compounds into rubber, there are entire rubbers made using flurinated chemistry, stuff like FKM. 

I not sure how this study measures it but it may also be the PFAS that are used for things in the processing, stuff like mould release, while this technically isn't in the plastic it's use in processing may lead to trace amounts.