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Backpack Nerds: Ultralight ish Backpack for Multipitch Approaches/Descents for Rope Carry
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Kinda specific - but also...I love backpacks...
Mammut Neon: https://www.mammut.com/us/en/products/2050-00042/neon-rope-bag 25L, shoulder straps look to be more comfortable than a piece of rope at 18.3oz Wildcountry Mosquito: https://www.wildcountry.com/en-us/mosquito-rope-bag-40-0000010008?number= 20L, much nicer looking shoulder straps than mammut and lighter at 17.6oz DMM Pitcher: https://www.backcountrygear.com/pitcher-rope-bag/ 26L, 16.6oz but still with padded shoulder straps Amazon special no name: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B092JGZRTG/ref=sspa_dk_detail_2 12.2oz...maybe this is the ticket? Bougie option I'd probably buy if I found one used for a decent price as it's no longer in production: https://www.outdoorline.sk/en/backpacks/backpack-up-to-40l/hyperlite-mountain-gear-metro-pack-black Hyperlite mountain gear metro pack, 30L, folds up to about the size of a sandwich bag/stack of a few CD cases, still rated for 20lbs carry, 8.6oz. They currently make a bag very similar to this and it's much lighter but it's only rated to 10lbs load carry so with rope + a few other bits inside...it's a bit out of the packs working load? |
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20L, 2.5oz folds up to about the size of a lime. $45 |
Ry C wrote: do you have this pack? have you stuffed a 70m rope in there? looks to be a tight fit? |
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I have the sea to summit but the shoulder straps are a bit prone to rolling into a little thin strip with any significant weight. Not a big deal if you’re wearing layers but uncomfortable if not. The salewa vector 22 ul is much better and only a little bit heavier. You can still stuff it in your pocket if you’re done carrying it. |
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BD speed zip 22. Maybe not ultralight, but light enough. Carries loads well. Versatile, climbs well. Pretty tough. |
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for purposes of this - the pack has got to be packable into basically a nothing size. that BD speed pack looks like a great pack and is light but its far too substantial to be packed and put inside another pack. pack here wouldnt be climbed with. once at the base - this pack goes away. |
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https://www.mountainhardwear.com/p/ul-20-backpack-1891001.html |
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I've used the Hyperlite Stuff Pack for exactly this. Carries up to 80m 9.3 easily. Anything shorter/smaller and there's extra room for snacks or water. |
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I use this Liberty Mountain Hansen Rope Bag as a minimalist rope backpack for canyoneering when there’s enough people to have someone carry only the rope. It may fit the bill for what you’re describing for a reasonable price. |
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I wonder if you could scavenge some of those slip-on pads that tend to come with the shoulder straps for things like laptop bags, camera bags, duffel bags, etc. I have a pile of those because I (almost) never shoulder-carry those things. |
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I 100% just thought about using pool-noodles as shoulder pads for alpine rope backpack haaaa But I feel certain partners…may not be into that. Maybe. |
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https://eu.blueice.com/products/reach-20l-pack |
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If you’re considering going bougie, go all the way with the Samaya Ultra35 or 20. My wife and I both have them, pretty slick stuff. Also- I wouldn’t consider that specific HMG pack for what you are looking for. I’ve seen and handled it in person. I believe it was intended as a waterproof city and bike commute pack. The Stuff Pack is kind of similar. The Summit 30 pack is definitely more purpose built. |
Chris Outings wrote: Got it. I just take the speed zip and it carries everything, and holds a rope nicely on the outside. |
Chris C wrote: I’ve gone full-bougie these days. I have the Ultra 35 as well, and it is an awesome alpine pack. But I don’t think it meets his specific requirements. If both me and my partner are climbing with packs then I’d carry my Ultra35 (or something like the Summit 30). But when we just want one pack on the route I’ve used the HMG Stuff Pack for exactly what he describes; car-to-car missions where I’ve carried the rope + a few personal items (12-15lbs) to/from routes (e.g., N. Ridge Stuart, Exum ridge, Voie Contamine, etc) and stashed the Stuff Pack into the bottom of our small alpine pack that’s then carried by the second. The HMG Stuff Pack looks and feels super flimsy, but it has been perfect for this specific use. And so far it has held up to approx a half dozen trips like this (plus loads of days carrying crap around in urban settings) and it is quite comfy. I would avoid using the Stuff Pack on an approach/descent that involved chimneying or squeezing/scraping my way through tight rocks. I think that would beat it up real quick. |
Slow Grown wrote: I personally like the slight addition of the rigidity on the Ultra35 compared to the ultra-ultralight like the Stuff Pack. I used a Blue Ice Reach for a bit for that sort of thing, but I never really fell in love with it and always ended up going for the Ultra. I prefer the slight additional weight (still only ~17.5oz) to get the better support on the approach when carrying the rack, rope, etc. In a way, I think with this pack being so light, robust, and supportive, it has taken over the roles of 2-3 packs I used to regularly use. But to each their own there, it’s a pretty personal decision at that point. The Arcteryx Alpha FL30 is also an interesting contender. It's still pretty light, is extremely robust, and climbs/carries fairly well. I just sold my Alpha after many trusty years because my preference ended up leaning towards the Samaya/HMG options I own. But the Alpha is also selling for 1/3rd the price of the Ultra35 lol. Sick on N Ridge Stuart c2c! I climbed it in 2 days, so it’s not surprising our packs were different lol |
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definitely getting some really cool options here I likely wouldn't have ever come across. this is awesome! similar to the salewa but a "non outdoors brand" Coalatree nomad packable 22L backpack https://coalatree.com/products/nomad-packable-backpack-black doesnt give the weight but i cant image its much more than 6oz. these seem to go on ebay for around $20. so this may be the low cost, no frills winner. packs into its own pocket and looks to be able to be hung off a harness Reco from M M - Mountain hardware UL 20L at 10.7oz https://www.mountainhardwear.com/p/ul-20-backpack-1891001.html this is a more featured version of the salewa. lots of exterior lash points. side water bottle holder which is great for those long approaches to not need to dig into packs. and can also be stuffed into itself and hung off a harness
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You can check out Climbing Tech Magic Pack https://www.climbingtechnology.com/en/outdoor-en/bags-and-backpacks/backpacks/magic-pack_ https://www.amazon.com/Climbing-Technology-Magic-Backpack-Orange/dp/B07N45CR53 |
Ben Ha wrote:
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I am a little confused at your requirements of holding a 9.2-9.5mm 70m rope after it has been used. What sort of descents or approaches are you doing that you need a pack for your rope instead of a coil? I can only imagine semi-technical scrambling decent/approach where you want to be able to move a little bit better? In that sort of terrain I am often bringing an 8.6mm 60m which is much smaller than your rope. |
CalvinM wrote: some multipitch routes have 2, 3+ hour hiking approaches. not alpine climbing - fully pitched out climbing routes. i like doing multi with a 70m for linking/long pitches. one partner carries the rack. one partner carries the rope. the pair climbs with one pack. pretty standard stuff except maybe im just using a thicker rope. instead of alpine backpack coiling the rope - stuffing it into a ~6oz backpack with nice shoulder straps would add a lot of comfort to the day and be able to be packed up and stuffed into the main climbing pack that is carried by the follower without much fuss |
