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Kevin’s Next Haulbag 

Jimmy Strange wrote:

Fuck me, snap!

You really dont want the handles though. 

Pika sold them in the 90’s.. they had a bolt on back-board/harness 

Rprops wrote: If you want to get real kooky make a belay seat that clips to the frame so the bag rests on it.

In The 90’s - the A5 Bosum seat fit inside the pocket where the Shoulder Straps hide on the A5 Haulbag..  

Seems like BD could make their whole Big wall kit interworking for some fun combos. Now just make the hiking poles into cheater sticks and we’re done here. 

Nate A wrote:

I believe he is discussing the merits of putting lipstick on a pig.   

*Slow clap* 

I thought that lining haul bags was so standard that it was almost mandatory.

Not included when shipped merely for compression reasons.

Has anyone considered riveting many, many, swivel casters to the outside? Or UHMWPE wear plates? Or spraying one of the real durable truckbed liners on the inside?

Desert Rock Sports wrote:

I thought that lining haul bags was so standard that it was almost mandatory.

Not included when shipped merely for compression reasons.

Has anyone considered riveting many, many, swivel casters to the outside? Or UHMWPE wear plates? Or spraying one of the real durable truckbed liners on the inside?

I have looked at uhmwpe sheets, super duper expensive, even hdpe would be like $80. Truck bed liner is just a urethane with an added fill. 

I put a piece of cheap closed cell foam inside mine and I’ve never had a hole..

what are you guys hauling on? 

I was not suggesting full UHMWPE fabric, though people have made small haulers out of it already. If you do the labor yourself you only think of the cost of materials. More so, a full bag like that has no structure of its own. Either way, you still get pressure points just like current haul bags. UHMWPE is good with abrasion, but if you have pressure points it will still get torn up... and the total UHMWPE in fabric where a pressure point is... is a real thin woven layer of fibers just ready to grab sandstone. A plate is thick and solid. You would have to wear through a lot of material vs fabric.

So... don't worry about pressure points. Make it slick, thick, and good alllll night long. Give it some staying power.

That's why: plates or ridges. Something prominent off the surface of the bag enough so that the fabric of the bag itself is not prone to touch the rock, only the wear plates are.

You could go the barrel approach instead. That way would have complete side protection, and potentially some top and bottom protection, but it would be limited in thickness to the thickness of the barrel, and you have to figure out how to get the barrel up there. I think there could be some good solution like completely cutting the barrel in half or thirds and trying to nest them and strap them to the outside on the hike up and down, then attach them together again around the haul bag when its time to haul. Its like the soda bottle protection for the microtrax or knot, but for the entire body of the haulbag. For the protection of the top straps and haul point attachment you could go bottle or you could give the pig a giant cone of shame. A curved piece of plastic that we can roll up and put along the inside of the haul bag for the hike down. Secure it in whatever way makes sense to you. Velcro, riveted fasteners, etc...

I don’t get the brain energy being spent on this..

people have been successfully dragging vinyl bags up El Cap without incident for thousands of years..

Take a couple seconds to line the inside with a pad, cardboard or simply make sure hard stuff is behind soft stuff and you’ll be good to go- and you won’t have to bring a fucking Barrel down East Ledges..

the issue back in the day was mostly from Chef Boyardee and Olde E cans up against the vinyl- but nobody even brings canned food anymore.. except Ross- but with that Mustache he’s contractually obligated to go Retro

I don't think you guys have priced this up, a 5mm sheet of uhmwpe is $300, just for the plastic, not even taking into account for all the other stuff like the suspension system and the interior bag. 

If you can find a sheet of 2mm then this might change but it'd be a lot of work still. 

TPU makes a bit more sense if you were to make it as a mass produced product. 

HDPE or even LDPE would also work and are cheaper. Probably even PP. You also don't need 100% coverage.

Patching haulbags on the vinyl is easy, just vinyl fabric and HH-66. Trying to repair the webbing portion can be a considerably larger pain if you have to rip a bunch of stitches out. I would hate to try to patch a woven dyneema haulbag. Have to get your sewing machine over the area that got damaged, can't let any frayed fibers get pulled down into your machine or it is likely to jam it, ripping stitches would take forever, etc...

A mini industrial machine can handle the thick webbing parts OK. Proper bartacks are not necessary, and is a completely different machine anyways. What makes a bartack is the stitch by stitch consistency in tensions and exacting pattern repeatability from a dedicated machine. A few straight stitches back and forth and some zig zagging over is not a proper bartack. As well, bartacks are not at all required for strength. They are just very conveniently consistent and compact from a dedicated machine.

Yeah the Grivel fabric cone of shame is a good idea. That it can shift around and the location of pressure points can change is great.

Andy Shoemaker wrote:

https://www.uline.com/BL_1854/Plastic-Corrugated-Pads

Oh, like those dumb political signs people put up in their yards. FREE!

Am I reading this correctly?   Kevin - you didn't line your new pig with blue closed-cell foam, or even cardboard?  

Hahaha!  Good ol Ricky....  

I can't believe you'd ever haul stuff inside a pig without a liner!  P.S. Emailed you some beta on Pacemaker.  Might need a couple bolts on my Science Project belay anchor.  ;) 

Quinn Hatfield wrote:

Link source plz 

IIt's like the plastic political lawn signs that show up during election years. Looks exactly like corrugated cardboard, but it's plastic. I'm sure you can buy it in larger sheets from a plastic supplier in a fairly large city. Quite sure Andy Kirkpatrick mentions this in his book "Higher Education" as being very superior to plain cardboard and that it doesn't get wet and fall apart.

Kevin you are out of your element . The Metolius bags carry just fine for the slim-waisted among us:

https://youtube.com/shorts/N25G1YrWsPI?feature=share

I line my Metolius Half Dome with a foam sleeping pad and break it out for posh nights on natural rock ledges (the foam pad protects my additional air pad from puncturing by rock fragments). It has lasted quite a few walls now and my D4 Delta 2p ledge fits inside for the walk down!

Ran into Shipoopi at the heart lines recently. He said he designed the Half Dome so a normal human-sized arm can reach the bottom comfortably. That makes sense!

I used a new wall hauler on the nose this week and it held up fine except for some rips on the top section that isn't haulbag material which I suppose is to be expected. Great bag. Carrying it down the east ledges way comfier than metolius equivalent