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Whatever product designer did the colors really knocked it out of the park, though. Excellent use of contrasting colors, just though to make it pretty and interesting but not so much as to be garish or overwhelming. 

Looks pretty bitchin. Think I'll be sticking to runout customs, though. If you haven't used one of those I'll lend you my grade V bag for a wall, I like to call it the Gucci of haul bags. Not sure it's so different to a fish, but I likes it. 

Ricky Harline wrote:

. Think I'll be sticking to runout customs,  

This is all you need to know

Kevin DeWeese wrote:

WTF are you even talking about?

orange and blue are complimentary, or highly contrasting colors. You can overdo it in large amounts, but having a small amount of contrasting colors like this is very pleasing to the eye. Further, implementing these bright colors with mostly drab colors makes them stand out even more. From a color design perspective it's prettier than any other pig I've seen. 

It's a very pretty piece of shit.

the best bags are not vinyl btw, they are a urethane coated material--the same used for most high-end  welded inflatable rafts.  

+1 for Luke's bags, he has not compromised on materials.  TPU fabrics would not stand a candle to his materials.

sorry to hear Kevin thinks A5 haulbags sucked, they were certainly better than what came before!

...sounds like BD needs to expand their abrasion fabric testing methods for new products...

Eddie Whittenmore in photo, Flagstaff, mid 80s

(that new haulbag looks good in photos, at least, and at a trade show booth--a major design criteria for the big boyz.)

Uh oh. I have one of these sitting at home waiting for a wall next month…

Kevin DeWeese wrote:

My main concern with most bags is how they carry since being super skinny means 

It seems the primary problem is you are super skinny. Time to toughen up buttercup. 

I completely disagree and have absolutely loved the new bag and several aspects of the new tweaks. I’ve used all 3 sizes pretty extensively.  I like to stuff a little clothing in there to add some extra padding 

New things I’ve noticed….

Stuffing straps post bag pack.

new padding, straps and suspension system

tapered shape makes easier fill and pack

New pockets in collar 

Larger collar that pulls down around the bag makes packing easy

durability has been no different to me. Looks like you picked poorly and something poked out while hauling a slab.

You sound pretty angry… and absolute trash? Not even in the least..

Kevin DeWeese wrote:

. . . As Quinn told me in response to finding this out about my bag, line the inside with cardboard. I now pass on the divine wisdom to you 

I use corrugated plastic to line my metolius bags. More durable and doesn’t absorb water, so can be cleaned and reused. The cut edges are sharper than cardboard so I cover them w duct tape. 

Skinny guy to skinny guy. Ricky has a point about the runout bag. I’ve carried some ridiculous loads with mine and they’re manageable. The straps aren’t as thin as paper like the metolious. We’re talking Cadillac straps. Cushy, almost like they have seat warmers.

But please do update with what BD says :)

Andy Wiesner wrote:

I use corrugated plastic to line my metolius bags. More durable and doesn’t absorb water, so can be cleaned and reused. The cut edges are sharper than cardboard so I cover them w duct tape. 

Link source plz 

I have used cardboard- but I actually use thin closed cell foam that Coleman used to sell as a sleeping pad-(looks like packing materials from u-Haul) it’s the worlds worst sleeping pad, but a decent bag liner- and you can pull it out if you need insulation on your Portaledge 

Quinn Hatfield wrote:

Link source plz 

https://www.uline.com/BL_1854/Plastic-Corrugated-Pads

I haven't used the new bags extensively but did drag them up 15 pitches or so of granite.  Maybe half of those pitches were steep so bags didn't see much wear but lower down on the route they were dragging.  I didn't experience any excesses wear but the material does indeed seem less robust.  But one of my complaints about the previous version was how rigid the fabric was.  I found packing them efficiently to be way harder than a metolius bag.  

And is lining your haulbags really divine wisdom?  I thought this was standard operating procedure for 30+ years or much longer?  I've used 1/8" closed cell foam from Seattle Fabrics for a long time.  I might have to try the corrugated plastic though.  That could be some good beta.

Kevin DeWeese wrote:

 It's more of, "why can't this even do it's one job in the main place where it's going to be used by a majority of customers?"

holding gear hung up in a closet?

Quinn, they call it Corex or Coroplast (the stuff they make yard signs out of) and you can get it at Lowe’s or Home Depot. I lifted the idea from P. 289 of “Higher Education,” where AK alternatively recommends 2 or 3 mil HDPE plastic sheets, which a buddy of mine uses. They are a bit heavier, but slightly lower-volume and stiffer, than the corrugated sheets.

Kevin DeWeese wrote:

That would be why it's a joke to call it divine wisdom. 

Sorry, that one went over my head.

I do hear you though, adding padding to a hualbag isn't always ideal and can be an annoying step.  I've always thought that a sleeve for the pad to slide in to would be nice and make the process easier and keep the pad in place.   I'm thinking something similar to how the back pad in an alpine climbing pack works.

I find it interesting that you found the old BD version to carry and fit you better than a metolius.  It sounds like you are kinda skinny (and maybe short?) which I am too.  I clock in at barely 5'3 and 125lbs and always thought the metolius was easily the most comfortable bag I'd used.  

ryan climbs sometimes wrote:

No love for fish? 

I bought a Fish deluxe and I'm happy

Mikey Schaefer wrote:

Sorry, that one went over my head.

I do hear you though, adding padding to a hualbag isn't always ideal and can be an annoying step.  I've always thought that a sleeve for the pad to slide in to would be nice and make the process easier and keep the pad in place.   I'm thinking something similar to how the back pad in an alpine climbing pack works.

I find it interesting that you found the old BD version to carry and fit you better than a metolius.  It sounds like you are kinda skinny (and maybe short?) which I am too.  I clock in at barely 5'3 and 125lbs and always thought the metolius was easily the most comfortable bag I'd used.  

Portering a 100 pound load up to the west of face of El Cap with a Metolius El Cap haulbag which left my hips bleeding is what inspired me to get the Runout Customs. I'm a large human so I'm sure that creates a large difference in what's comfortable, but those Metolius straps are tiny. Runout Customs has by far the biggest, most padded straps and it's a night and day difference for me if I use that vs. my Metolius pig. 

Glad it works for you but I legit don't understand how it's comfy for anyone. There's so little padding that heavy loads just suck ass with that pig. I'll take burly straps all day. 

Has anyone else tried rigging an external frame for haulbags? I’ve actually found some success without trying too hard, and my setup is pretty redneck (a pool noodle pads the lumbar). Obvious downside is “what do you do with the frame”. I dunno but its great for multiple trips and I take the lightest load last with no frame.
If you want to get real kooky make a belay seat that clips to the frame so the bag rests on it.

Kevin DeWeese wrote:

WTF are you even talking about?

I believe he is discussing the merits of putting lipstick on a pig.