Another Bishop Bouldering Guide Book

Anyone out there willing to write another  Bishop Bouldering Guide Book? The time is right.

There are many of us with moral conscious who cannot stomach purchasing or even looking at their current copies. Knowing the author is a convicted felon who has brutally attacked, harassed & threatened the lives of women and men in the “climbing community” for over a decade.

Doesn’t matter how great the damn book is.

 We need another option. The stores need another option.

Go a step further, write it & donate some of the proceeds to outdoor programs for victims of violence.

Any takers?

Sounds noble. Unfortunately this mission involves a great many years of bouldering. Hard pass. 

Since you're so invested in the idea why not you?

I know my limitations. I’m hoping there’s someone, who takes the opportunity presented, to turn something ugly into something good

I'm not sure guide book proceeds are enough to make a big difference in someone's life. But if they are, how do you expect him to afford therapy without the proceeds from what was likely a labor of love by him? If it's a great book, maybe people should just buy it. Are you a big contributor to charities for battered women? 

You could see if you can buy a copy of the old Wills Young book. Still a great book, and not much has changed really since it's publication. 

Or you could go with Kaya. I haven't tried it yet, but maybe it is the future? Their Bishop guide is from Beall and Bissell.

https://kayaclimb.com/bishop

Where's Walden wrote:

I'm not sure guide book proceeds are enough to make a big difference in someone's life. But if they are, how do you expect him to afford therapy without the proceeds from what was likely a labor of love by him? If it's a great book, maybe people should just buy it. Are you a big contributor to charities for battered women? 

Yes,  I am an active advocate for victims & survivors of violence. Gender is irrelevant.

This particular author has undergone a multitude of court ordered therapies &  evaluations over the years. They have not been successful. He does need help and I sure hope he gets it.
 Even still, I need a resource that has integrity.

I appreciate very much anyone that can provide alternative options 

Average Forumuser wrote:

Yes,  I am an active advocate for victims & survivors of violence. Gender is irrelevant.

This particular author has undergone a multitude of court ordered therapies &  evaluations over the years. They have not been successful. He does need help and I sure hope he gets it.
 Even still, I need a resource that has integrity.

I appreciate very much anyone that can provide alternative options 

The resources integrity is fine... its the author you have issues with.

I understand where you're coming from, but in practicality, until someone does make a new book (which will be basically copying the info from thou who shalt be named by changing formatting, and adding new / altered descriptions) There is no better resource currently. In reality the author took info from MANY contributors and compiled it.

A litte devils advocacy here:
Would you avoid climbs FA'd by this individual regardless of where the beta came from?
If you found out after the fact you sent a climb by this individual, would it mar the experience?
If the beta was verbatim from the tainted mouth/resource, but in a different guide, would it make the info okay?

Thinking on this, perhaps a solution:
Make an appeal to the individual to donate all proceeds they make be redirected to resources for victims of abuse/violence. This is perhaps a way to change the tainted status of the books and keep the resource in fair play?

And here is a guide that has 6-700 problems for the bishop area:
https://maximuspress.com/products/climbingbooks/1064/Bishop-Bouldering-Select

Mr Rogers wrote:

The resources integrity is fine... its the author you have issues with.

I understand where you're coming from, but in practicality, until someone does make a new book (which will be basically copying the info from thou who shalt be named by changing formatting, and adding new / altered descriptions) There is no better resource currently. In reality the author took info from MANY contributors and compiled it.

A litte devils advocacy here:
Would you avoid climbs FA'd by this individual regardless of where the beta came from?
If you found out after the fact you sent a climb by this individual, would it mar the experience?
If the beta was verbatim from the tainted mouth/resource, but in a different guide, would it make the info okay?

Thinking on this, perhaps a solution:
Make an appeal to the individual to donate all proceeds they make be redirected to resources for victims of abuse/violence. This is perhaps a way to change the tainted status of the books and keep the resource in fair play?

And here is a guide that has 6-700 problems for the bishop area:
https://maximuspress.com/products/climbingbooks/1064/Bishop-Bouldering-Select

Hmm, good questions, I don't have a quick answer. I'll have to think about those more. 

I can say that I feel a sort of revulsion & have taken a "No ,Thank you" approach in the past to known climbing routes which this person participated in. That, however was due to what my heart told me and that was enough at the time. I never felt the need to debate those feelings with my brain. I really don't have any FOMO about it, there are so many other rocks to climb.

My brain appreciates the invitation Mr. Rogers. Great idea on a way to "smudge" the book 

Thank you

Mr Rogers wrote:

The resources integrity is fine... its the author you have issues with.

I understand where you're coming from, but in practicality, until someone does make a new book (which will be basically copying the info from thou who shalt be named by changing formatting, and adding new / altered descriptions) There is no better resource currently. In reality the author took info from MANY contributors and compiled it.

A litte devils advocacy here:
Would you avoid climbs FA'd by this individual regardless of where the beta came from?
If you found out after the fact you sent a climb by this individual, would it mar the experience?
If the beta was verbatim from the tainted mouth/resource, but in a different guide, would it make the info okay?

Thinking on this, perhaps a solution:
Make an appeal to the individual to donate all proceeds they make be redirected to resources for victims of abuse/violence. This is perhaps a way to change the tainted status of the books and keep the resource in fair play?

And here is a guide that has 6-700 problems for the bishop area:
https://maximuspress.com/products/climbingbooks/1064/Bishop-Bouldering-Select

The “little devils advocacy here” has nothing to do with the OP’s concern about financially benefiting the perp. Climbing the perp’s routes and boulder problems doesn’t affect the perp; he doesn’t own those, nor does he charge a toll for climbing those. Buying his guidebook does benefit him. 

George Bracksieck wrote:

The “little devils advocacy here” has nothing to do with the OP’s concern about financially benefiting the perp. Climbing the perp’s routes and boulder problems doesn’t affect the perp; he doesn’t own those, nor does he charge a toll for climbing those. Buying his guidebook does benefit him. 

Thanks for offering up your opinion around those questions anyway.

The intent is to offer points of further exploration(IE: being a devils advocate). Well understood those Devilish questions are not answering the original conundrum....

To which I followed that all up with a path forward that is directly related to the financial side of the equation.
The "solution" seems like a decent way to shift things without having to eschew the valuable resource.

Average Forumuser wrote:

Anyone out there willing to write another  Bishop Bouldering Guide Book? The time is right.

There are many of us with moral conscious who cannot stomach purchasing or even looking at their current copies. Knowing the author is a convicted felon who has brutally attacked, harassed & threatened the lives of women and men in the “climbing community” for over a decade.

You can “xerox” his work, set up a little card table at the Sads, and hand them out for free.  That’ll at least keep him from buying Skittles at the prison commissary, and you’ll get a warm fuzzy for sticking it to him.  If you borrow a copy to scan, you can even keep and use a copy for yourself since no additional monies went his way.  On the virtue scale, copyright infringement is well below his proven and currently alleged crimes.