Most comfortable aiders and aid shoes

Long story short I got both of my feet rebuilt and they are pretty sensitive now. I have a pair of Aideer aiders that I really like but they hurt my feet. I don't care about weight, what are the most comfortable ladders? The TX4s were my go to aid shoes but I am looking for something with my support. Any recommendations? 

These Yates Speed Ladder aiders are a go to choice for many. The rungs are thick and comfy to stand in.

As for shoe that is harder. I and many others like the TX4's. Maybe you could rock a pair of stiff supportive hiking boots?

Have you tried Olle's russian aiders?

The Yates Speeds are thinner than the normal Yates. I know lots of people swear by them, but as a larger human I went with the Yates ladders with the two inch steps and I'm really glad I did. My feet still hurt on occasion standing in them, but it has to be a really long lead before that happens and the mild discomfort in my feet isn't nearly as severe as everything else that hurts after a long aid lead. If you're going for maximum comfort get those big, super comfy aiders. 

But Russian aiders might actually be the best choice. Haven't used them so can't comment but I've seen them and they look pretty damn comfy. 

People looking for maximum comfort while aiding usually use stiff hiking shoes to my understanding. 

As Ricky said- the Yates Speed Aiders are their minimalist option- go with the Yates BigWall.. 

maybe try  a pair of carbon fiber insoles under the TX4 insoles.. could even be pulled out for Approach/Descent 

https://a.co/d/f1d4dZA

They are 1 louder 

Kevin DeWeese wrote:

If you're trying to spare the arches of your feet you really can't go wrong with russian aiders. They have their idiosyncrasies (like down stepping is pretty irritating and the hook tends to slide around a bit on your knee/shin so you can't immediately run up them like you can with a ladder), BUT, the soles of your feet will never have to deal with the constant pressure of standing in rungs.  

And I'm gunna have to disagree with Ricky and Quinn regarding the Yates BigWall ladders. If you can look at a pair side-by-side with a pair of Yates Speed ladders, you'll notice that their "2 inch steps" are actually the same 1" steps that the Yates Speed with a thinner strip of 2" material on top of the 1" ladder step. So the added width of the step actually doesn't do anything to distribute the force of your weight onto your foot anymore than the Yates Speeds do. Add that to the floppy wings of the 2" material catching on the rock more often and you've got a heavier ladder that's more irritating to use without any of the proclaimed benefit that you're carrying the extra weight for. 

I don't understand how the larger steps don't distribute one's weight more. The wider material gets loaded the same way the thinner webbing underneath gets loaded. I haven't stood in the Yates Speeds so maybe they truly are similarly comfortable, but I've stood in similarly sized aiders from other brands and was astonished at how much less comfortable they were. *shrugs* 

If you follow this MP link 

https://www.mountainproject.com/forum/topic/120691241/best-walling-shoe#ForumMessage-123939606

you'll find another thread about walling shoes with another link within that thread to another thread about walling shoes. 

Kapeesh?

Maybe arborist boots will work for you. Someone posted about those being super stiff and comfy.

Also my aiders go to Eleven, checkmate y'all. 

Kevin DeWeese wrote:

The load is distributed by the supported area, not by total area. The Yates Speed has a 1" step that is sewn the full 1" of its width into the sides of the ladder. The Yates Bigwall has a thin 2" step sewn on top of the thicker 1" step, with only the that 1" of both steps being sewn into the sides of the ladder. When you stand in the 2" step of the Yates Bigwall ladder, 0.5" of the 2" step is just flapping in the wind on either side of the 1" step.  

Or to put it another way, because 1" steps are not "larger steps" than 1" steps

Not at home so couldn't investigate mine. Thanks for the explanation! Huh, I'll have check out a pair of Yates Speeds some time. If they're truly as comfortable as mine while being much less bulky I might have to get me a pair. 

Why would one need a Backup Ladder? 

Sam Klinger wrote:

Long story short I got both of my feet rebuilt and they are pretty sensitive now. I have a pair of Aideer aiders that I really like but they hurt my feet. I don't care about weight, what are the most comfortable ladders? The TX4s were my go to aid shoes but I am looking for something with my support. Any recommendations? 

I would be happy to make you a pair of 2” wide steps sewn to a  2” wide main body.  This would maximize the supported area of each step.  

Skot Richards wrote:

I would be happy to make you a pair of 2” wide steps sewn to a  2” wide main body.  This would maximize the supported area of each step.  

How much would this cost? Interested in the possibility of this for both myself and a buddy. Us large humans need all the help we can get 

I have a pair of Yates 6-step aiders made of 2” seatbelt webbing. The steps are reinforced with 2” stiff webbing to hold the rungs open. The 2” webbing can be stood on with your toes, without inserting your feet to the arches, if you’re lazy or in a hurry. The steps alternate from side to side. These are barely used and ultra comfy. I’ll take pics in tomorrow’s daylight. 

You can try beefy mountain bike shoes for extra support underfoot. The 5.10 Impact Pros have very nice sticky rubber 

These Boreal Big Wall hightops are ultra-stiff and edge like crazy. These have stiff shanks that protect the arches, as did the old Robbins shoes. Size 42. 

Ricky Harline wrote:

How much would this cost? Interested in the possibility of this for both myself and a buddy. Us large humans need all the help we can get 

I don’t think the cost would be any higher than my standard ladders.  

George Bracksieck wrote:

Yates 6-step aiders made from 2” webbing.

These are ‘to me’ ancient aiders not currently available to the general public….  As cool as they maybe,  it doesn’t help people in the here and now. 

Skot Richards wrote:

I don’t think the cost would be any higher than my standard ladders.  

If I wasn't such a broke ass dirtbag that enjoyed your products so much I'd be trying to convince you to charge more, especially for your custom products. 

But I enjoy climbing much more than working, so thanks for keeping your prices where they're at. I might order some of these bad boys from ya in fall. 

Cheers! 

Ricky 

Skot Richards wrote:

These are ‘to me’ ancient aiders not currently available to the general public….  As cool as they maybe,  it doesn’t help people in the here and now. 

This style of aiders was used by everyone not that long ago. You can still top-step and even match/switch feet in the rungs, although doing so is harder when wearing the clunky approach shoes everyone insists on using these days—because that’s the fashion in vogue. If you wear comfy, stiff climbing shoes, it’s easier. So to say that using such aiders isn’t aid is… funny. If the OP or anyone would like to pay more for yours, hey! It’s a free country! (Or is it really?)