Maui - Plenty Kiawe (Or: What Can Be Done About Climbing Access?)

I'd like to contact Lauren Poulson about https://overgripping.wordpress.com/2019/12/06/__trashed/

She's way over thinking it. More than enough info from google, just drive there and start climbing. That's what I did 14 years ago. I gave up climbing a few years ago but we still hit Plenty Kiawe several times per year. Her lack of respect for Hawaiian culture and bull rush attitude don't work in Hawaii. We don't want an internet bullseye attracting massive disrespectful tourists to the islands treasures. Take the time to listen to locals and find out who's willing to share information, move on from those that aren't. You have to earn the respect of many locals, and you don't get that by demanding information over the internet. I've lived in a lot of places (including Seattle, SF, NYC) and nowhere comes close to the aloha spirit here, but you need to work by Hawaiian protocol, not big city protocol.

There’s an MP user with that name. Try a DM and see if it’s her. 

I think this sentence sums it up:

“I am not going to pretend that I am knowledgeable about all of the various access issues that affect climbing access and development on Maui, and, unfortunately, this information was not/has not been made readily available for the broader climbing community.”

I dm'd her, I'd like to keep it private

Hey - I wrote about my personal experience for my blog several years ago, before I was even really on Mountain Project. I was not trying to attack anyone in any way; I was merely using my experience trying to find information on it as an example of something that made me curious about climbing access more generally, both in Hawaii and in small communities across the country. I tried to make it very clear that that was my purpose - and I quote, "I write about this, instead, to raise my own questions and concerns about how local climbing groups can respond most reasonably, sustainably, and equitably to the challenges that lie before them."

I'd also just like to note that I don't think I could have created an Internet bullseye, even if I had wanted to (which, again, was not the purpose at all) - the blog has 15 followers, mostly my family (who are not even climbers). 

I would be very happy to discuss privately, but it doesn't seem like that is really the intention if you've taken to posting my name here, saying I'm disrespecting local culture without first talking to me. I am extremely open to constructive criticism and discussions about how I can do better, but taking to posting my name on a public forum just doesn't feel like the most conducive manner of reaching out.

Mahalo for your response Lauren Poulson 

>  but it doesn't seem like that is really the intention 

Wrong again

Let's continue on my DM to you

If this is a private conversation then keep it private but don’t continue to call her out in public. 

Popping in and out of the islands will get one the standard tourist experience. If a person doesn't want to be treated like a tourist then it's important not to act like one. To get to know the islands, people, and aloha takes time and some immersion but is well worth the investment.

For anyone interested in more, the RunOut Podcast #88 has Jeff Jackson on it where he discusses access and climbing in Hawaii.

Damn dude, joining MP to call someone out on their personal blog post from 3 years ago... savage. Maybe you're a detective but I'm amazed you dug up so much drama from between the 20 lines of her post.

Lauren Poulson wrote:

Hey - I wrote about my personal experience for my blog several years ago, before I was even really on Mountain Project. I was not trying to attack anyone in any way; I was merely using my experience trying to find information on it as an example of something that made me curious about climbing access more generally, both in Hawaii and in small communities across the country. I tried to make it very clear that that was my purpose - and I quote, "I write about this, instead, to raise my own questions and concerns about how local climbing groups can respond most reasonably, sustainably, and equitably to the challenges that lie before them."

I'd also just like to note that I don't think I could have created an Internet bullseye, even if I had wanted to (which, again, was not the purpose at all) - the blog has 15 followers, mostly my family (who are not even climbers). 

I would be very happy to discuss privately, but it doesn't seem like that is really the intention if you've taken to posting my name here, saying I'm disrespecting local culture without first talking to me. I am extremely open to constructive criticism and discussions about how I can do better, but taking to posting my name on a public forum just doesn't feel like the most conducive manner of reaching out.

> trying to find information 

And I'm offering information. I DM'd you 4 days ago, you replied 4 days ago to this thread but haven't replied to my DM/

> just doesn't feel like the most conducive manner of reaching out. 

DM is he most conducive manner , you didn't leave me any alternatives, how else could I contact you?

Big Red wrote:

Damn dude, joining MP to call someone out on their personal blog post from 3 years ago... savage. Maybe you're a detective but I'm amazed you dug up so much drama from between the 20 lines of her post.

I'm trying to contact her. You too obviously don't understand Hawaiian culture. I'm trying to explain her many errors in the blog.

I'll post my DM I sent LP here in a couple days if I don't hear back from her.

BobFB Smith wrote:

> trying to find information 

And I'm offering information. I DM'd you 4 days ago, you replied 4 days ago to this thread but haven't replied to my DM/

Dude leave her alone. If she wanted to communicate with you she would. 

BobFB Smith wrote:

I'm trying to contact her. You too obviously don't understand Hawaiian culture. I'm trying to explain her many errors in the blog.

Is it part of Hawaiian culture to be persistently self-righteous?