Patagonia > Arcteryx

Patagonia rules, Arcteryx drools.

Change my mind?

There are many more wonderful companies and gear makers than these, but Yvon Chouinard is a smidge better than Arcteryx owned by a holding company (Anta Sports)? 

Yknow I’ve been thinking the same thing lately. I really like my Arc’teryx gear though. 

You talking quality or value?

Acrteryx fits, Patagonia doesn't.  Look at the shape of YC's body and it all makes sense.  No question that Patagonia's ethics are the best and I buy their stuff when it fits.

It depends on the piece IMO. As a company, it’s easy to support Patagonia, I feel like Arcteryx is mostly green washing with their fix/used gear program.

The Atom hoodie is still one of the best jackets I’ve ever owned. I’ve not tried the AR, but the LT and SL have both treated me super well. Arcteryx harnesses are the best on the market, and their backpacks are also really well made.

Patagonia’s warranty and repair programs are some of the best in the industry, but I do agree that their sizing can be weird. I had an old Better Sweater in size S that fit me perfectly, when I bought a new one for wearing around town I upsized to an M and it’s way too tight across the chest, even compared to the S I’ve used for years. 

I just wish that Patagonia would make some longer inseam pants....

The biggest downside with Arc’teryx is that the normies don’t know how expensive it is and so you don’t get that much clout for wearing it. Patagonia doesn’t have that problem. 

Arcteryx, unfortunately lost most of their skilled employees when they were acquired by the Chinese billionaire. It’s no longer Canadian, is now a Mainland Chinese company, and has completely changed from what I’ve heard from former employees.

Patagonia is narrow at the shoulder and wide at the waist. So Patagonia doesn’t fit broad shouldered people well because the jackets are too baggy around the torso and waste.

If you love Patagonia, it probably means you have narrow shoulders.

Both companies have great things.

... but I will happily choose other brands over either of them if the product is obviously better for my use case, ie Salomon Adv Skin 12 over any of the trail running vest offerings from either... or any other company for that matter.

I love the Patagonia Houdini for a climbing wind shell, and XL Houdini Air as an over loaded-up trail running vest wind layer (but with modifications as no current wind shell really works perfect in this use case, yet). Some great running shorts. Endless Run short I absolutely love. Sunshade Technical Hoody I love more than cap cool daily hoody, its hood stays up on top of a hat better for trail running, and the thicker material makes it work for a wider temp range I find.

I love the Arcteryx Gamma MX Pants as a cold weather climbing pant. Fortrez Hoody for casual and MP use, though a lot of people prefer grid fleece alternatives.

https://snowbrains.com/patagonias-founder-will-avoid-paying-700-million-in-taxes-with-legal-loophole/

Arcteryx for fit and ingenuity 

nothing you say can convince me that a dead bird jacket is worth $600...

...and i own 2 of them...

curt86iroc wrote:

nothing you say can convince me that a dead bird jacket is worth $600...

...and i own 2 of them...

https://www.patagonia.com/product/mens-frozen-range-parka/27975.html?dwvar_27975_color=BLK&cgid=root

$750…..

Arc'teryx still has undoubtedly fantastic garment techs, their patterning is second to non and their fabric is some of the best out there. So few other companies work as closely with their suppliers to create something truly new. 

Its a shame they're owned by a Chinese soulless mega corporation.

Patagonia also has there own great garment techs and in house talent but it seems to be smaller and often not applied like at arc'teryx. 

In the end they also hit different markets and strive for different aesthetics. For climbers this is sadly often a detriment when looking at patagonia kit. 

MAMMUT SUPERIORITY but also check out https://www.klattermusen.com/en/ . They make some stellar, durable, free range of motion pieces that have blown me away and far outlived other fancy clothes. https://www.klattermusen.com/en/men/shell-pants/ 

There are Patty and Arc articles that I do love. You look like a dad-to-be if you're young in Pat and then like full blown sleeps after lunch man if you are old and Pat out. Arc bros look like cops barely on holiday. If I had to choose between the two though it would be Arc bc the things of theirs I like can hardly be bested. The MX stuff is so good for single day / weekend climbing life. 

Miles Johnson wrote:

You look like a dad-to-be if you're young in Pat and then like full blown sleeps after lunch man if you are old and Pat out. Arc bros look like cops barely on holiday. 

I'm old and sleep after lunch.  Definitely not a cop.  I have a killer Arcteryx collection and choice Patagonia pieces.  Which box am I in again?

Bryan L wrote:

I just wish that Patagonia would make some longer inseam pants....

Go be tall somewhere else, pal.

Jay Anderson wrote:

I'm old and sleep after lunch.  Definitely not a cop.  I have a killer Arcteryx collection and choice Patagonia pieces.  Which box am I in again?

Sleepy Sleuth Box

Not had any problems whatsoever with sizing on my Patagucci gear . . . 

rab. 

Trying on Patagonia insulated jackets a few years ago made me feel like I was wearing a box, and smaller sizes were like a crop top. The atom on the other hand fits me perfectly, as do my hard shell jacket and pants. Their warranty is starting to scare me though. In the last ten years I’ve warrantied probably 3-5 things for myself and my wife, from broken zippers to delaminating fabric. It started out as no questions asked replacements, and the latest one was them giving a code for a new jacket, but guilting me for apparently not washing it enough. If I spend the big bucks on gear/clothing, i should be able to trust that it’ll last and/or be fixed/replaced if necessary.

On another note, it’s pretty obvious that arcteryx is focusing on a different audience these days. The ads I see on Facebook are for their ‘fashion’ clothing and showcase models standing in strange poses on grass or rocks, and the organization of clothing on their website has changed, for example in the jacket section the technical Alpha/Beta SV items used to be first; now they’re way down the list. The times are a changin…