New GRANDWALL cams?

What do you guys think of these things? Is this just a rebranded version of an older design? 

https://www.verticallstore.com/GRANDWALL_Cam/p4546831_21579078.aspx

"galvanized stainless steel stem"

Are they both galvanized and stainless steel?

This looks like the manufacture.

http://www.grandwallequipment.ca/products/protection/camming_devices.html

just a simple less flashy (keeps costs down) cam. Kinda remind me of my old Kouba cams. if they're en certified i'd whip without hesitation. 

people who bash stuff like this tend to like bling and be brand whores way passed the point of economical sense. hence $90 dollar cams, $2-3k racks 

point is getting out there and climbing!

abandon moderation wrote:

The entire stem is just wire? From the pictures, looks real floppy.  Probably the cheapest double axle cam you can find, though.

I suspect I'd buy single axle Trango flexcams before those, for about the same price.

The entire stem of most cams is wire with some piece of plastic or tubing to protect it? Aliens, all u shaped cams, black diamond cams are cable or amsteel (ultralight) with some thin plastic over it. 

Marcelo wrote:

just a simple less flashy (keeps costs down) cam. Kinda remind me of my old Kouba cams. if they're en certified i'd whip without hesitation. 

people who bash stuff like this tend to like bling and be brand whores way passed the point of economical sense. hence $90 dollar cams, $2-3k racks 

point is getting out there and climbing!

Yeah, but these things are about 60 bucks. Not exactly a bargain. I would rather buy a bunch of used camalots for a lot cheaper.

Can you buy them in the US with Freedom Dollars? That would make the price comparison with a C4 a little more enticing.

slim wrote:

Yeah, but these things are about 60 bucks. Not exactly a bargain. I would rather buy a bunch of used camalots for a lot cheaper.

$45 ish USD but yea still would buy some used BD cams over those. 

Can't complain about someone offering another option and (theoretically) pushing prices down a bit. 

I just bought a bunch of their carabiners for $3.80 a pop and a rated swivel for $27.
I'll probably snag the two largest sizes even if they do look a little bit floppy.

Does anyone know the length of the stem compared to other cams? I used these once last year and they felt longer than other cams. Seemed easier to place and clean than other cams. (Looking at you totems)