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The Fulgurite Thread

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Greg Cameron · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2003 · Points: 160

Hey so I've been both a climber and geologist for over 45 years and only over the last three or four have I become aware of rock fulgurites -- visible "scars" on the rock that are the result of lightning strikes.  The scars represent localized surface melting of the rock that look like a glaze not unlike a frosting on a cake.   Now that I am tuned into them, I have some thoughts.  I was hoping for this thread to be a repository for some good pictures of rock fulgurites in different settings.

I know that some of you know about them.  After all, there is a climbing wall in Wyoming called the Fulgurite Wall (I looked, and yes, for sure they are fulgurites).  The 8 snapshots below are from a location near Mount Evans, and I purposely chose these because of the relationship between orange lichen and fulgurite, a subtopic.

JNE · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2006 · Points: 2,100

This is awesome!  I have noticed a bad and funny smell which seems to go hand in hand with these granitic fulgurites, does anyone know what that is?  

As to the orange lichen, could that be because these fulgurites seep some specific mineral or nutrient that the orange lichen like?  

Also, anyone know why they often form in caves?  How does the lightning get into the caves?  Greg?  Anyone?

JNE · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2006 · Points: 2,100
Not Hobo Greg wrote:

How far into caves? 

Typically 5' or so, but as much as 20', or even 30'. Sometimes 40'+.

Greg Cameron · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2003 · Points: 160

Typical texture of a fulgurite in the Mount Evans area

Greg Cameron · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2003 · Points: 160

And how about this bad boy!  It looks like thick frosting or paint.  These are clearly flow structures. The edge melted and flowed down.  Notice also how the left side of the fulgurite looks like a coastline.  That's because the white part was liquid.

Peter Carlson · · St Louis · Joined Apr 2017 · Points: 5
Not Hobo Greg wrote:

Oh nice!! I only learned about these this past summer but now I see em all over. Scary too because lots of em are nowhere near a summit but hundreds of feet below one. I’d like to know what it is that attracts the orange lichen. Whatever species of lichen it is, it grows elsewhere too, but the only lichens I’ve seen surrounding the scars are the orange ones.

Maybe nitrogen fixed during the strike that gets trapped in the glass?

Buck Rio · · MN · Joined Jul 2015 · Points: 16

I've run into a few of these while in CA climbing, thought it was bird shit at first, but ended up being this glass like substance. 

Thanks for putting a name to it Greg. 

Cherokee Nunes · · Unknown Hometown · Joined May 2015 · Points: 0

Love me some fulgurites! Did a route once called Farming Fulgurites.

Bryan · · Minneapolis, MN · Joined Apr 2015 · Points: 482

This thread is cool. I’m going to keep my eyes out and see if I can find any. Do they take on significantly different appearances in different rock types? Your pictures all look granite-esque. Are there examples on basalt/limestone/sandstone/quartzite/others? 

Mark Pilate · · MN · Joined Jun 2013 · Points: 25
JNE wrote:

Typically 5' or so, but as much as 20', or even 30'. Sometimes 40'+.

Caves often act like the gap between spark plug electrodes.  Basically the fulgarite in a cave is the result of the subsequent arc across the gap after a charge release, not a direct strike.   Another good reason, like Greg mentioned, to not seek shelter in them unless you are able to go way deep, but biggest risk is in the 0-10 foot range of the mouth

jnowis · · Unknown Hometown · Joined May 2008 · Points: 35
JNE wrote:

This is awesome!  I have noticed a bad and funny smell which seems to go hand in hand with these granitic fulgurites, does anyone know what that is?  

As to the orange lichen, could that be because these fulgurites seep some specific mineral or nutrient that the orange lichen like?  

Also, anyone know why they often form in caves?  How does the lightning get into the caves?  Greg?  Anyone?

I'm wondering if these fulgurite look a lot like pack rat urine deposits (or bat urine?). I have seen a lot of "things" that look like the fulgurites example above in Vedauwoo, but was told it was from pack rats. The smelly ones would be in caves and overhanging areas - reinforcing the urine deposits. I have heard of lightning jumping the gap in caves, so not eliminating the fulgurite.

I F · · Megalopolis Adjacent · Joined Mar 2017 · Points: 4,368
Peter Carlson wrote:

Maybe nitrogen fixed during the strike that gets trapped in the glass?

Most likely answer. I listened to a podcast recently about a researcher looking into lightning strikes on otherwise dead soils, and found they were rich in bioavailable nitrogen. 

Greg Cameron · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2003 · Points: 160

Here's a couple of what I am sure are fulgurites from Vedauwoo.  It's those white streaks.  They represent where the lightning arced across the gap, forming the fulgurite and, because of gravity, the melt flows down a bit.  A year ago I would have assumed that these were some kind of bird poop. 

highaltitudeflatulentexpulsion · · Colorado · Joined Oct 2012 · Points: 35

I definitely referred to these as petrified bird poop before I knew what they were.

Greg Cameron · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2003 · Points: 160

So, here's a picture of a small tower at around 12,500 feet where there are no pissing rats (or bats) and no roosting birds.  Fulgurites in this environment tend to occur underneath overhangs, within vertical crack systems, particularly chockstones within the cracks, and on the bottoms of small alcoves. Notice the similarities with the proposed Vedauwoo fulgurites.

Greg Cameron · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2003 · Points: 160

Another example of fulgurite beneath overhang in an alpine environment.

Kevin Worrall · · La Jolla, Ca · Joined Jan 2011 · Points: 264

That is cool stuff!

I’m on the lookout now

TFPU!

Randy · · Lassitude 33 · Joined Jan 2002 · Points: 1,279

Super cool. I've seen these in the past, but never had any idea of what they were (except possibly bird poop).  Thanks for posting about this.

Dan Cooksey · · Pink Ford Thunderbird · Joined Jan 2014 · Points: 365

I always thought that was bird or bat shit.  Sometimes had mistaken them for a huge chalked jug from the ground.   Interesting. 

A Johnson · · Atascadero · Joined Apr 2014 · Points: 1,431

This is nuts. I 100% always thought this was raptor poop. I associated the smell with guano. Still not positive this isn't a troll thread.

Skyler Mavor · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2014 · Points: 113

Those look a little different than other rock fulgurites:

@bryan, the above are dacite and Cascades volcanic summits, the below are granite. Fulgurites have a very different appearance in sand/gravel/soil than bedrock strikes.

Here's a gabbro fulgurite:

In the Vedauwoo images I agree that it looks like there's gravity driven flow, but are you sure that isn't dissolution and reprecipitation of guano? It seems that the white spots are on a nice 'perch' location at the edge of a ledge or top of a boulder. Do you see them on overhangs or places where bird/rodent droppings wouldn't be deposited? Lichen correlation would also be compatible with nitrogen-rich bird shit, right? 

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