Gabby Petito last known to be in Tetons

Teton Climber wrote:

Two other people missing in Teton County that, seemingly, none cares about outside of family.

LE has started ground searches in GTNP for Gabby. It looks like they have evidence she was here.  Someone  also claims  that Brain L., Gabby's BF, offered them $200 for a 10 mile ride in GTNP..  No word if true.

The fella at the top of the image was known to be hiking in the park when he went missing. The bottom guy was last seem in Teton Village (on camera). The guy at top is assumed dead in the park. LE was looking for a third man this summer who also went missing. At the time, LE  was tight-lipped about the backstory  on the missing men except for the local kid at top. All of the missing men were highlighted in local media but social media didn't pick up much interest.

Thanks!  Like seriously...  why haven't those two hit the news like Gabby?  A long effort went out for the Irish(?) guy but little seemed to hit the news.

Gumby King wrote:

Thanks!  Like seriously...  why haven't those two hit the news like Gabby?  A long effort went out for the Irish(?) guy but little seemed to hit the news.

Yep. As you know,  but others might not, the park did go looking for Cian McLaughlin, and it got coverage in the media. Non assumes foul play in  Cian's disappearance so less LE interest, less social media interest. And of course, we all know that  young attractive white females in distress are standard red meat for the media,  social media,  Hollywood, and the larger public. 

Climbers are more likely to find the local kid as he was probably off trail in the bc. Once the leaves fall, and before snow blankets everything, his body might pop up on the radar of someone passing nearby. So, if you are out and about in October, keep an eye out for a body, or two, in GTNP.

Caroline R wrote:

I have to slightly disagree with this. Sure, obtaining location tracking data isn't rocket science. However, interpreting that data correctly requires some knowledge of the infrastructure behind it. 

You may not know it but that is basic knowledge in LE today.  Sorta like having an IP address tagged to metadate that suggests you are in Seattle when in fact you are in Wyoming. LE knows what to look for and understands limitations. It is beyond easy to track people these days. Crumbs are everywhere. Every social media company is spying on you. Your cellular service provider. Cameras everywhere. That and others, all pointed out in a previous post. 

We had a bank robbery in Jackson years ago.. Only one tool was needed to finger the suspect, cameras. Jackson has thousands. No fancy pants complicated forensics just good old fashioned police  "legwork".

Re: the DV incident, Gabby being the aggressor, etc. In the released body cam footage, she tells the officer that he grabbed her jaw and she has a mark on her face. Brian says himself that he put marks on her as well. It isn't clear who put their hands on the other first - the audio is kind of muddy.

They both say that he withheld the van keys and access to the van to her. I got the impression that happened earlier that day. He told her to go take a walk to calm down. That seems messed up. Withholding access to her property, especially since that property provided shelter and transportation, seems controlling. Personally, I wouldn't tolerate a partner who did that to me.

He states he doesn't have a phone at one point, but pulls one out of his pocket later. Maybe he meant his phone was dead or temporarily inaccessible? Odd.

He seems to have a tendency to ramble. Officer describes him as being "hyper." He says he's just nervous.

He laughs when an officer says he's a victim of domestic assault.

Pretty surprised they didn't issue a citation for going 45 mph in a 15 mph zone. Officer with a beard who I think is the highest ranking seems sympathetic to Brian and keeps bringing up how his own wife has anxiety blah blah blah. There are at least four officers present.

Footage is over an hour long. Won't pretend I watched every second. Overall, I have no criticism about the way officers handled it. 

On the topic of Brian's disappearance, I find it bizarre that the parents found his car at the preserve parking lot and took it home. This was two days before reporting him missing and the same day they last saw him. Why would they assume he wouldn't need it to drive back home?

Teton Climber wrote:

You may not know it but that is basic knowledge in LE today.  Sorta like having an IP address tagged to metadate that suggests you are in Seattle when in fact you are in Wyoming. LE knows what to look for and understands limitations. It is beyond easy to track people these days. Crumbs are everywhere. Every social media company is spying on you. Your cellular service provider. Cameras everywhere. That and others, all pointed out in a previous post. 

We had a bank robbery in Jackson years ago.. Only one tool was needed to finger the suspect, cameras. Jackson has thousands. No fancy pants complicated forensics just good old fashioned police  "legwork".

Did you even read the articles? And I'm not talking about cameras, social media, etc. I was specifically responding to your assertion about location tracking being straightforward. I certainly hope LE have now learned about the pitfalls, but I can't really assume that given all the instances where they or their forensic contractor screwed the pooch - and it's not like those instances happened in the distant past. Hopefully since the FBI is involved, the highest standards will be used to process and validate evidence.

Teton Climber wrote:

Two other people missing in Teton County that, seemingly, none cares about outside of family.

Systemic racism:

https://www.patriotledger.com/story/news/2021/01/30/jalajhia-finklea-missing-persons-african-americans-indigenous-people/4291086001/

https://lasentinel.net/tag/75000-missing-black-women-and-girls

Russ Keane wrote:

"All the available information seems to show he's not the aggressor and was actually struggling to get through the situation in the best way possible"

Are you sure?  I haven't seen anything to support this perspective.   All I know is, his artwork is reflective of a person obsessed with violence, weapons, and deep dark mental places.   Not to mention he refused to cooperate and now he's missing.

I watched the bodycam video and read the news stories I could find on Google. Can you guys maybe link what you're looking at? I haven't seen art work or heard accounts of witnesses concerned with Laundrie's actions. I mean specifically, his actions during the altercation.

It's hard to follow point/counterpoint in the comments. Bill said he has trouble imagining a scenario where Laundrie is innocent, and I replied with a narrative that I think is plausible, if unlikely, that would explain it. My overall point was that speculation and opinions are worthless. They're more reflective of the person giving them than of the facts. I'm inclined to reject the meta-narrative that the man is always guilty, but that's just me.

But Russ and James, don't mean to trouble you, but could you link the material you're looking at because I can't find it.

Doug S wrote: Bill said he has trouble imagining a scenario where Laundrie is innocent, and I replied with a narrative that I think is plausible, if unlikely, that would explain it.

True.  

For completeness, my post is below: deliberately vague about the actual crime and allowing there may be mental reasons to excuse not sharing what he knows

To allow he is innocent of her disappearance, there would need to be some pretty unusual mental baggage to justify how Laundrie has behaved so far.

It is extending to his family who has also been enabling / most unhelpful. 

Breaking news not about Gabby.

Tyler Perry, who likes to get lost in his palatial Teton home has bigger issues with threatening encounters.

Given the lack of black men in Teton County, one would think he was more welcoming.

As for Gabby, anyone up the Spread Creek dispersed camping area  might have seen Gabby or Brian at the very end of August. LE scoured it hard the other day. LE had a very specific area targeted.

Spread Creek is usually accessed from GTNP between Triangle X Ranch and Moose Head Ranch. Popular free camping spot in the national forest. Especially with dirtbag climbers, #vanlife crowd. Even I posted about the camping up Spread Creek at the end of July. Apparently, video appears to show the van at that location.

Miranda Bake claimed she and her BF picked up Brian Laundrie while he was hiking alone in Grand Teton National Park, on August 29 at around 5:30 pm. "He approached us asking us for a ride because he needed to go to Jackson and we were going to Jackson that night. So I said 'hop in,' and he hopped in the back of my Jeep," Baker says. "He offered to pay us like, $200 to give him a ride for like 10 miles. So, that was kind of weird." Laundrie reportedly told Baker that he had been camping for "multiple days without his fiancé," who was "working on their social media page back at their van."

An owner of a local shop in Victor, ID (west side of Tetons) says Gabby Petito and Brian Laundrie came into her store for nearly 20 minutes. “Brian and Gabby came to Rustic Row. They told me they were traveling from Florida. They had just been to Teton Park and they said they were interested in going to Yellowstone and I told them they could go to the west entrance. They seemed happy and when they left, she hollered back from the door that they were engaged and then I said congratulations,” the owner says. 

According to KSL TV, a woman and her husband says they spotted Petito and Laundrie’s van at Grand Teton National Park in Wyoming.  “We drove through the Tetons and the only stop we made was at Jenny Lake. Without a doubt, on my husband’s life, I know for a fact that was their van,” Shannon Baker says. Baker says it was 5 p.m. on Aug. 25, when she and her husband allegedly spotted Petito’s van in the Jenny Lake parking area.

Officials are investigating other tips including whether the couple visited a bar in the Ashton area. EastIdahoNews.com spoke with two people who said they saw the couple and spoke with them at a bar in late August.

Here's a breakdown of his artwork:  https://www.the-sun.com/news/3659035/chilling-art-missing-gabbys-petito-fiance-brian-laundrie/

Russ Keane wrote:

Here's a breakdown of his artwork:  https://www.the-sun.com/news/3659035/chilling-art-missing-gabbys-petito-fiance-brian-laundrie/

The bad boy. Young girls haven't changed much. Clearly, he has issues. Serious issues. Ted Bundy issues. 

You can just link to his Instagram.

Brian's art work:  As a parent with adult sons, my reaction is "meh".  Now if an experienced psychologist weighed in with something of concern, that might seem meaningful.

Russ Keane wrote:

Here's a breakdown of his artwork:  https://www.the-sun.com/news/3659035/chilling-art-missing-gabbys-petito-fiance-brian-laundrie/

Honestly, I don't find it "chilling." None of his stuff is original. The wolf with the bloody knife that seems to have everyone worked up is from a video game ffs. Hotline Miami.

The Fight Club/Chuck Palahniuk obsession seems... overdue? Like Fight Club landed when I was in high school and was able to troll a whole generation of dudes that didn't understand the toxic masculinity it was championing was satire. But that was 20 years ago. Maybe he just likes drawing movies from his childhood. Who's showing a 4 year old Fight Club, I dunno. 

Bill Lawry wrote:

Brian's art work:  As a parent with adult sons, my reaction is "meh".  

"Meh" before everyone considered him a psychopath killer. Now, perhaps, quite meaningful.

Ted Bundy blamed it all on porn and alcohol. Meh.

Brian Mitchell, who kidnapped and assaulted 14 year-old Elizabeth Smart in 2002, was obsessed with porn. Meh, but makes perfect sense for those with mental health issues (half the us population) that fall outside of the bell curve's standard deviation toward psychopath (fewer). 

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LATEST LOCAL NEWS RELEASE:

MOOSE, Wyo. — A closure of the Spread Creek area in Bridger-Teton National Forest was issued yesterday evening (Sat. 18th), as the FBI and law enforcement partners continue their search for Gabrielle Petito.

This area is closed to the public and will remain closed until the surveys are complete.

The Spread Creek Dispersed Camping Area is located in the Bridger-Teton National Forest on the east boundary of Grand Teton National Park. On the ground conducting surveys with the FBI are the National Park Service, Teton County Sheriff’s Office and Jackson Police Department.

“If you were in the area of Spread Creek Dispersed Camping Area during the timeframe of Aug. 27-30, 2021, and saw Gabby and/or her boyfriend or their vehicle, please provide that information to the FBI.” 

“While we cannot comment further as to the specifics of this investigation, we will provide updates and request additional assistance from the public when appropriate to do so,” said the FBI on Saturday evening.

The FBI has set up a national hotline to receive tips for this case at 1-800-CALLFBI (225-5324).

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Bill L: 

"Well, from the view of innocent until proven guilty, it is meaningless. Otherwise, about half the population is guilty"

So, if he is proven guilty, then it means something? If it means something then, it means something now.

Half the population isn't drawing these images and posting them to Instagram. Not even close. He is 23, not 15.

Half the population isn't a "person of interest" with hundreds of LE officials looking for his GF and him.

Half the population (let's say most people) would help find their missing girlfriend. A psychopath is indifferent, a murderer ain't helping.

Half the population would not scare their fiancee into thinking they would run off in her van without her (in Moab). And he eventually did! 

Half the population knows what you, and Gabby, couldn't see. He has serious mental health issues. His art at 23 reflects his obsession and it fits the pattern of someone desensitized to violent imagery. And most likely, violent acts if he killed Gabby (or even let her kill herself). In and of itself, meaningless. In regards to this case, as I said, "PERHAPS" not meaningless. You missed the critical word.

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If her dead body is in GTNP, grizzly bears will be sniffing it out during this time of year. They ain't picky eaters. Neither are the birds circling overhead.

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 No truth a body was found in Florida on Sunday according to LE. It is in Jackson Hole and obviously Gabby. LE is thinning out. Search dogs are packed up.

Teton Climber wrote:

"Meh" before everyone considered him a psychopath killer. Now, perhaps, quite meaningful.

Ted Bundy blamed it all on porn. Meh.

Well, from the view of innocent until proven guilty, it is meaningless.

Otherwise, about half the population is guilty

Edit: I get your above additions, Teton Climber.  But I’m just not quite there with you about the meaning of Brian’s art, even if the only person next to me were Gabby.  It is part of the picture but not enough to convict IMHO.

And, yes, he is quite guilty about not helping by offering his knowledge of the last time he saw her and the circumstances.  If I were a betting person, my money is on him being guilty of more than not helping.  But not guilty based on his art.

I was watching a video of when the police responded to BL's house after his parents reported him missing. There's a black case they take out of the trunk of the mustang, which is the car Brian's parents allegedly found in the park and drove home. People are saying it's a gun case - a standard one you'd get when you purchase a handgun.

I think the case is empty. This would explain why LE is kitted out in body armor to look for him. Also probably why they closed the park during the search.

I predict he won't be found alive. I hope I'm wrong.

ETA - Looked up the attorney. Appears that he isn't the sort of guy I'd choose if involved in a missing persons case. He does have some experience with criminal law, but not homicide or even manslaughter. I get the impression his bread and butter is real estate law. And he's in NY, not FL. I feel justified in my earlier criticism that he doesn't know what he's doing in this case and his strategy is/was myopic.

To clarify, a body has been found in the search for Gabby in the Tetons, not for Brian in Florida. 

We don't know yet if it is Gabby or some other unfortunate. Somebody noted there are a number of missing men in that area, so could be someone else. I hope the body that was found helps bring closure to their family, regardless.

FBI has created a website where people can submit any media they have that shows Gabby, Brian, or the van. Tips without media can be submitted to tips.fbi.gov.

ETA - They've confirmed it's her in the FBI presser. 

RIP Gabby.

Looks like it's her: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPuI7TkcpBc

Caroline R wrote:

I predict he won't be found alive. I hope I'm wrong.

Reasonable, but I say he doesn’t have the balls to off himself.