Crack Climbing - Mastering the Skills & Techniques vs Crack Climbing: The Definitive Guide

Does anyone know if there is any difference between these two Pete Whittaker Crack Climbing books?

I'm thinking one is from an international publisher and the other is from a publisher here in the states, but wanted to double check.

https://www.amazon.com/Crack-Climbing-Mastering-skills-techniques/dp/1911342762/

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1680512153/

Hmm, page count is different.

Mastering skills and techniques has a newer release date, and I remember hearing pete in a podcast talk about adding to the original book and re releasing it. 

Do your own research though. 

Sam Cook wrote:

Mastering skills and techniques has a newer release date, and I remember hearing pete in a podcast talk about adding to the original book and re releasing it. 

Do your own research though. 

That seems most likely. I'll just get the newer one. Thanks.

I have the definitive guide and can firmly say my crack climbing is…..unchanged because I haven’t read it

I have the definitive guide and the volume of info is overwhelming. If the newer one adds to it, then it probably is even more so. If you try to read the whole thing to learn new stuff you won't absorb anything. Instead, pick a few routes with similar cracks and find in the book the techniques that can be applied to those. Read and try to visualize yourself on those routes as you do. Then go out and try those techniques. 

I bought the definitive version. More pages and less money. It'll be here Wednesday and I'll be a pro crack climber by Friday (Thursday is a rest day.) 

I'm looking to buy this now and this forum post was the first hit on google. For any future readers: they're the same thing. Here's Pete's post about the book release to see for yourself.

https://facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0Yt3qShqdnQXyPrQr9UtipoTQyShHQ9hQDzMUMMNCuocXLmbhoF5QukcNB5xE8gubl&id=231675483847477&sfnsn=mo

I'm a big fan of The Crack Climber's Technique Manual by Kent Pease. He's an engineer and approaches the subject in a very clear-cut, methodical way with good graphics. Highly recommended.

No one ever learned how to crack climb from reading a book.

You can learn how to do it on a shitty basement rig, but a book won't help.

I think the orange text one is the older one, I bought it day one of release. Looking forward to getting the second one.

If I see Tom or Pete at crackfest on Saturday I'll ask them about it. 

Edit: upon 5 seconds of research it appears "the definitive guide" is probably the North American release as its unavailable in the uk. 

Pete's book definitely helped me improve my crack skills. But after seeing recommendations from the Gote, and also receiving help from Kent's book on a recent problem, I decided to buy Kent Pease's book as well. I'm interested to find where they overlap and differ.

Can now confirm as I asked Tom, it's just different publisher, not a new or different book. Both are the same.