Petzl Adjust vs CAMP Swing

Anybody here use either or both of these? Any discernable difference between the two? 

My Yates is ready for retirement and I'm looking for a modern replacement. 

If using it as an aid climbing daisy: 

• The Petzl Evolve Adjust is good to go out of the gate but it's difficulty in releasing under load when you don't have the wall to push off of (roofs and reachy traverses) can be irritating.
• The Camp Swing comes with rope that's too short for aid and too thick to allow for easy adjustment. If you're willing to cut out the rope it comes with and replace with 8.8mm rope, then the Camp Swing is superior to the Petzl because it can be easily released under load. 

As a free climbing tether, the Petzl Connect is better than the Swing as you won't ever be in a free hang that makes the inability to release under load as issue. 

I personally did not tried any of these lanyard yet on aid but one thing I can foresee is that the orientation of the petzl ones could be troublesome in certain aid placement where the rock may prevent the 'plate' to rotate freely or worse, and I heard it did happened to a few, the rock could move and pivot the 'plate' in an unlock position sending you sliding down the end of lanyard.  I can see that the orientation of the Camp Swing at 90 degree compared to the petzl could reduce the chance of happening, but not eliminate it (if rock horn is on the side).  
I would like to have big wall Hudon or Dr. Piton comment here on their experiences with both of these ;-0)  It seem to me the camp swing 'plate action' is indeed a tighter radius so I agree with comment above it likely is harder to slide and extend (a smaller diam. on either of these models would ease that but no company would back the safety of doing so (i would making sure its a closed system). Pls comment at will! as Id like to make a choice and go play! 

Sebastien Jacob wrote:

I personally did not tried any of these lanyard yet on aid but one thing I can foresee is that the orientation of the petzl ones could be troublesome in certain aid placement where the rock may prevent the 'plate' to rotate freely or worse, and I heard it did happened to a few, the rock could move and pivot the 'plate' in an unlock position sending you sliding down the end of lanyard.  I can see that the orientation of the Camp Swing at 90 degree compared to the petzl could reduce the chance of happening, but not eliminate it (if rock horn is on the side).  
I would like to have big wall Hudon or Dr. Piton comment here on their experiences with both of these ;-0)  It seem to me the camp swing 'plate action' is indeed a tighter radius so I agree with comment above it likely is harder to slide and extend (a smaller diam. on either of these models would ease that but no company would back the safety of doing so (i would making sure its a closed system). Pls comment at will! as Id like to make a choice and go play! 

All adjustable daisies have situations where the rock or the gear can trigger a release. These modes will occur when you first load them though and not afterwards so though surprising when it happens, is not a safety concern because in these contexts you're standing in ladders and generally are holding onto something with your hands. 

The plate action on the swing is not why it's difficult to extend, the diameter of the rope it comes with is the reason. 

Edelrid made their own version called the "Switch Adjust":

https://www.edelrid.de/en/sports/adjustable-lanyards/switch-adjust.html

Hangdog Steve wrote:

Edelrid made their own version called the "Switch Adjust":

https://www.edelrid.de/en/sports/adjustable-lanyards/switch-adjust.html

I'll def be trying those out lol

pro's and con's to using one of these in place of a PAS? 

Fail Falling wrote:

If using it as an aid climbing daisy: 

• The Petzl Evolve Adjust is good to go out of the gate but it's difficulty in releasing under load when you don't have the wall to push off of (roofs and reachy traverses) can be irritating.
• The Camp Swing comes with rope that's too short for aid and too thick to allow for easy adjustment. If you're willing to cut out the rope it comes with and replace with 8.8mm rope, then the Camp Swing is superior to the Petzl because it can be easily released under load. 

As a free climbing tether, the Petzl Connect is better than the Swing as you won't ever be in a free hang that makes the inability to release under load as issue. 

I’ve virtually stopped using the Camp because of this. I’ve considered switching out the rope but haven’t settled on what knots to use since I won’t be sewing the rope back together like the manufacturer does. Any suggestions? Anything I come up with just seems too bulky to be worth it. 

Sebastien Jacob wrote:

I would like to have big wall Hudon or Dr. Piton comment here on their experiences with both of these ;-0)  

I’d say you’re getting good advice from Mr. DeWeese. I bet he spends more time on walls aiding/new routing!

Tks to all for comments. I’m also leaning towards camp with smaller diam rope and live with bulkier knot on harness. Ciao 

Climb On wrote:

I’ve virtually stopped using the Camp because of this. I’ve considered switching out the rope but haven’t settled on what knots to use since I won’t be sewing the rope back together like the manufacturer does. Any suggestions? Anything I come up with just seems too bulky to be worth it. 

I tie it into my critical points with a retraced overhand and have a barrel knot on the end that I tightened with two pairs of pliers. 

sebastien jacob wrote:

Tks to all for comments. I’m also leaning towards camp with smaller diam rope and live with bulkier knot on harness. Ciao 

I find it works better turned around, can clip, or soft shackle to harness. Can have longer than arm length adjustment, easier release pushing down instead of up, and shortens much better.

A smooth cover and flexible rope are desirable in replacement cord, can go down to some 8mms, but they will create a little slack if unweighted and this small amount will slide through device, slowly ratcheting longer.

The rope that came with it just wouldn’t work, firmed it up by cutting end and bunching the cover and then resmoothing, but still was too big and bumpy, it must be somewhat dynamic, core wouldn’t go back in.

bearded sam wrote:

pro's and con's to using one of these in place of a PAS? 

I've switched from using a PAS to using a Petzl Adjust, talking as a free-climbing tether, not (usually) for aid.

Adjust advantages:
1. you can get whatever length you want -- not pre-configured intervals.  "just right"ness.

2. you can adjust it while attached --  no need to undo the carabiner, or bringin a second carabiner

3. you can adjust under tension -- useful for clipping to a bolt and pulling yourself in if cleaning an overhanging or diagonal route

4. dynamic material

Disadvantage:

1. only a single clip-in point - doesn't easily clip to a second bolt/ring

Climb On wrote:

I’ve virtually stopped using the Camp because of this. I’ve considered switching out the rope but haven’t settled on what knots to use since I won’t be sewing the rope back together like the manufacturer does. Any suggestions? Anything I come up with just seems too bulky to be worth it. 

I use a barrel knot to a captured alum rap ring. 

For those of you using the Petzl adjust, which locking biner are you using with it? I tried several of mine, but haven't really find one that make opening the gate easy. I always end up with a very narrow gate opening because of the rubber keeper and have to wiggle the plate in order to have enough opening to clip on large diameter anchors bolts. 

thanks

Pierre Proulx wrote:

For those of you using the Petzl adjust, which locking biner are you using with it? I tried several of mine, but haven't really find one that make opening the gate easy. I always end up with a very narrow gate opening because of the rubber keeper and have to wiggle the plate in order to have enough opening to clip on large diameter anchors bolts. 

thanks

Sm'D RL 

Pierre Proulx wrote:

For those of you using the Petzl adjust, which locking biner are you using with it? I tried several of mine, but haven't really find one that make opening the gate easy. I always end up with a very narrow gate opening because of the rubber keeper and have to wiggle the plate in order to have enough opening to clip on large diameter anchors bolts. 

thanks

I got rid of the rubber keeper almost immediately.  I haven't noticed any issues with gate openings.

Pierre Proulx wrote:

For those of you using the Petzl adjust, which locking biner are you using with it? I tried several of mine, but haven't really find one that make opening the gate easy. I always end up with a very narrow gate opening because of the rubber keeper and have to wiggle the plate in order to have enough opening to clip on large diameter anchors bolts. 

thanks

I am using a locking oval.

Fail Falling wrote:

I'll def be trying those out lol

Hey there! Did you ever have a chance to check out the edelrid switch adjust? I’m curious how they compare to the Camp Swing…

Pete Hendler wrote:

Hey there! Did you ever have a chance to check out the edelrid switch adjust? I’m curious how they compare to the Camp Swing…

Not yet. Will get to it eventually 

Fail Falling wrote:

Not yet. Will get to it eventually 

I feel like an ass. I’ve been scouring the internet for weeks trying to find a comparison between the Petzl Evolv Adjust, CAMP Swing, and the Edelrid Switch Adjust. When I came across this discussion I almost did a little dance… and I’m just now realizing how recent your last post was. The echo from the sound of my palm hitting my forehead was heard by the neighbors, I’m sure. Didn’t mean to rush you.

As an aside, I’m pretty new to the forum and I’m not sure I have the interface completely figured out… Did you happen to receive a message from me?