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Tag/Haul Lines and new harnesses w/o haul loops

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Gold Plated Rocket Pony · · Colorado · Joined Jul 2007 · Points: 96

Random question, it seems Black Diamond has phased out the rear haul loop from their trad harnesses (except the Big Gun). The Chaos harness had a rear haul loop that was rated at 12kN:

The new Solution Guide which BD calls "the ultimate trad climbing workhorse" doesn't have a back haul loop and gets the little "0kN" tag on the back but also a 5th gear loop:

 So my question is, where are you guys clipping in your tag/haul lines? Is the "0kN" tag or the 5th gear loop stronger? I suspect the "0kN" tag would be burley enough for my thin tagline unless something odd happened but thought I'd ask.

Buck Rio · · MN · Joined Jul 2015 · Points: 16
Gold Plated Rocket Pony wrote:

 So my question is, where are you guys clipping in your tag/haul lines? Is the "0kN" tag or the 5th gear loop stronger? I suspect the "0kN" tag would be burley enough for my thin tagline unless something odd happened but thought I'd ask.

I'm just going to say it "Get a MM Cadillac"...lots of gear loops and a full rated haul loop. 

I use my BD for the gym and sport climbing only.

Bryce Dahlgren · · Boston, Ma · Joined Oct 2020 · Points: 216

I just did an ice climb where I hauled a 7mm 70m tagline up 2 pitches on BD's 0kN loops and it was fine. My only complaint was that it was hard to access the 5th gear loop (I used the Vision harness fyi) because of my bulky gloves in the cold but that shouldn't be an issue for rock climbing.

Kevin Mcbride · · Canmore AB · Joined Jan 2017 · Points: 505

The only Reason BD used to do rated haul loops was just in case someone accidentally clipped in to the haul loop and weighted it. The 0kn loops that they and almost every other harness use is just fine.

Gold Plated Rocket Pony · · Colorado · Joined Jul 2007 · Points: 96

Thanks for the replies, sounds like the 0kN loop is the way to go

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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