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Crampon/Boot fitting Petzl Dart

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Raveen Fernando · · Detroit, MI · Joined Jan 2020 · Points: 0

Hi all, I just purchased a new set of Darts, but I am a bit unsure of what the ideal toe bail position and front point position should be.... 

On my Right boot I have the toe bail in the middle, and the front points in the FWD position. 

-Are the secondary points too far back?

On my Left boot I have the toe bail in the Back position and the front point in the FWD  position as well.

-Is this a better overall position? 

-But then Is the front point too far forward and I should move that to the Back position?

(edited to be clearer in picture descriptions)

Boots Right and Left :

Right Boot on top, Left boot on bottom:

 

Below is close up of Right: (are the secondary pts too far back on the boot?)

Below is close up of Left (should I move the front pt back in this set up?):

Sorry if the pics arent clear... Getting the right perspective in the picture is harder than i imagined. 

Thanks!

Grayson T · · Idaho · Joined Feb 2020 · Points: 0

Go with the left's set up. Further the secondary points are out the less you need to drop your heels to engage them. Save your calves a bunch

Raveen Fernando · · Detroit, MI · Joined Jan 2020 · Points: 0

Ok, yeah that makes sense. Is the front point too far out? I can recede it inward by one position, Can kind of see the 2nd hole in the Left side profile pic. 

Is there benefit to keeping it out vs in? 

Mark Pilate · · MN · Joined Jun 2013 · Points: 25

Lots of confusion in above posts.   OP has descriptions and some pics mismatched/confused which is right/left, and while I agree with Grayson in stated theory, I don’t see how toe bail position achieves that intent.  

In general, move your front point back to allow quicker engagement of secondary points, and start with toe bail in middle and adjust back as needed if you’re banging your boot toe.   You don’t need a diving board of a front point.   “Just enough” is preferable 

Raveen Fernando · · Detroit, MI · Joined Jan 2020 · Points: 0

Toe bail now in the back position on both: 

fwd position front pt

Back position front pt:

DeLa Cruce · · SWEDEN · Joined Nov 2018 · Points: 0
Raveen Fernando wrote:

Toe bail now in the back position on both: 

fwd position front pt

Back position front pt:

I would definitely have that front point on the shorter setting, so you don’t need it 3 inches into the ice before your secondary points engage. as that front point wears down and gets shorter from sharpening, extend it later on. 

Raveen Fernando · · Detroit, MI · Joined Jan 2020 · Points: 0

DeLa Cruce / Mark

Thanks for your responses. What you say makes total sense. After a few years learning on my less adjustable older crampons, I realize I never really understood how the positions can help or make things harder. Thanks for the insights! 

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