anyone tried resoling lightweight running shoes with five ten dot rubber?

No one makes a good super lightweight approach shoe that isn't bulky anymore. Adidas I thought nailed it with a very light version of  the Terrex with five ten rubber. Now they just sell five ten shoes which are bulky and garbage quality. Arcteryx is the only company that makes one but I hear they suck. I was thinking of getting something like a Merrill lightweight running shoe and either having a company add a new sole to it, or painting the crap out of the sole with crushed up five ten rubber and seam grip (i.e. stealth paint). Has anyone tried this? Before OR and BD made fancy crack gloves, I painted the back of athletic tape gloves and they lasted a couple years (with some touch up tape).

Thanks

anton krupicka, a ultra guy and free soloist does this. there is some video of shoe fabricator doing this exact thing for him.

Jake wander wrote:

anton krupicka, a ultra guy and free soloist does this. there is some video of shoe fabricator doing this exact thing for him.

Thanks, I'll try and find the link unless you've got it handy

I knew someone who would resole Pumas with dot rubber.

I saw it on some documentary on Anton from Amazon prime. He’s got or had a pretty good website where he conversed with people so that may be your best option. I’ll see if it’s still up and running (no pun intended). 

http://antonkrupicka.com/

theres a contact page on his site. i know at one point i found a gear list from some of his blog posts too but in a few minutes i didnt find it just now.

the video is called "in the high country"

It is pretty common to resole regular shoes with sticky dot rubber, but only works on some shoes based on how the sole is attached/constructed. You could try calling Rock n' Resole, this is something they can help with. 

Annie Climbs wrote:

It is pretty common to resole regular shoes with sticky dot rubber, but only works on some shoes based on how the sole is attached/constructed. You could try calling Rock n' Resole, this is something they can help with. 

Perfect, I will do that!

"In The High Country" was a video put out when Anton was sponsored by New Balance, and it would be really weird if he was wearing Brand X's shoes instead for a large part of it, so a resole makes sense. I feel approach shoes across the board have gotten better since that video came out as well (Except the 5.10 Guide, when seems to have taken a step back - even some shoes from Adidas look much better). 

Getting other shoes resoled can be preferred to some - I know Anton sometimes does that with a pair of Mutants, but it can also get expensive since the resole adds like $60? to the shoe's cost. Check out the TX 2 and TX Guide from Sportiva. I wouldn't call them bulky. TX 2 last fits me well (Mutant, Ultra Raptor also fit me well), Even just holding the LS Guide, I can feel it's too narrow for me (maybe if you use the Bushido). R&R used to also give out rubber dust if you wanna do repairs.

Annie Climbs wrote:

It is pretty common to resole regular shoes with sticky dot rubber, but only works on some shoes based on how the sole is attached/constructed. You could try calling Rock n' Resole, this is something they can help with. 

Rock and Resole does excellent work and can handle most running shoes. Interestingly a couple of years ago I went to the sportiva retail shop in boulder and asked why they didn't put actual sticky rubber on at least one or two of their trail shoe models. This was dismissed out of hand by the dude behind the counter and there is still only one production model that tries to be a decent sticky soled trail runner. I have seen mixed reviews of that shoe.

I definitely would recommend trading the crappy LaSpo "sticky" stock trail running shoe rubber for real sticky rubber any day of the week. $60 is cheap compared to rolling an ankle or worse because of poor friction on a mountain run for example.

Peter Beal wrote:

Interestingly a couple of years ago I went to the sportiva retail shop in boulder and asked why they didn't put actual sticky rubber on at least one or two of their trail shoe models. This was dismissed out of hand by the dude behind the counter and there is still only one production model that tries to be a decent sticky soled trail runner. I have seen mixed reviews of that shoe.

Well, La Sportiva NA is a distributor of shoes (design is done in Italy, yeah?), and they'll need buyers. If they can't sell it to the stores at a large enough volume that they have contracts with, the shoe isn't going to get ordered by LS NA. Ever notice you can get crazy colorways or different models from European stores? Other models exist, they're just not imported stateside, since no one wanted to purchase a lot from LS NA.

And it all makes sense to me, as dot rubber isn't great for running in varied terrain. Dry rocky/gravel/buffed out singletrack? OK. mud/snow: sucks. So not an all-rounder outsole rubber, and thus why there's currently one running/performance approach shoe put out by LS. Using Frixion alone will also drive up the price of the shoe, since you gotta pay Vibram for just putting their name on your shoe. 

But if resoling a trailrunner you love works, hell yeah.

"Dry rocky/gravel/buffed out singletrack? OK. "
Fortunately this covers 99% of summer alpine running and scrambling

Plus true sticky tends to be much more reliable in wet conditions on rock than stock outsoles

I’ve had 5.10 dot tread put on lightweight running shoes. It worked well and justified carrying those to the tops of long climbs. And it was good for running to EASY climbs and scrambling/soloing. The 5.10 dot tread is denser/heavier than the stock outsole. The 5.10 dot tread is a lot stickier than La Sportiva/Vibram “dot tread.”

I have a pair of salomon s/lab sense 4's, extremely sticky, they're my go to mountain approach shoe and scrambling shoe. I unfortunately sized mine to run in so can't edge, unsurprisingly jams are rather uncomfortable. 

Why not just get some tx guides? 

Annie Climbs wrote:

It is pretty common to resole regular shoes with sticky dot rubber, but only works on some shoes based on how the sole is attached/constructed. You could try calling Rock n' Resole, this is something they can help with. 

Great advice here.  Does not work on all shoes.  Talk it over before sending.

that guy named seb wrote:

I have a pair of salomon s/lab sense 4's, extremely sticky, they're my go to mountain approach shoe and scrambling shoe. I unfortunately sized mine to run in so can't edge, unsurprisingly jams are rather uncomfortable. 

Why not just get some tx guides? 

For some reason they rub my Achilles which is weird as I've never hand any shoe ever do that except for my old Boreal Ace climbing shoe!  I also don't like their rubber.

that guy named seb wrote:

I have a pair of salomon s/lab sense 4's, extremely sticky, they're my go to mountain approach shoe and scrambling shoe. I unfortunately sized mine to run in so can't edge, unsurprisingly jams are rather uncomfortable. 

Why not just get some tx guides? 

I got a pair of the s/lab ultra that would be good to do this too. 

I want to love the tx Guides, I have a fairly narrow foot, but the tx guides are EXTREMELY narrow, like what the crap were these ppl thinking narrow with no option to order a wider shoe. Maybe someday. 

R&R is hardly an option anymore with their ridiculous lead times and it adds $70 to an already expensive pair of shoes that will last about 2 months if you’re active before all the dots are worn flat.  The stealth dot rubber is indeed a lot heavier and clunkier, so a half sole is what most seem to do.  Most running shoes tend to edge like crap, which almost negates the point of putting climbing rubber on them.  The Mutant and Bushido seem like the most common recent options for resole - but really, the TX-whatever shoes are about 100x more popular right now, as I’ve seen.

Klimbien wrote:

I got a pair of the s/lab ultra that would be good to do this too. 

I want to love the tx Guides, I have a fairly narrow foot, but the tx guides are EXTREMELY narrow, like what the crap were these ppl thinking narrow with no option to order a wider shoe. Maybe someday. 

I think it's to help the climbing ability (from what I heard they climb amazingly) so more of a scrambly 5.x kind of shoe, the hypers are similar in that they're really narrow but climb really well.

Bill Schick wrote:

R&R is hardly an option anymore with their ridiculous lead times and it adds $70 to an already expensive pair of shoes that will last about 2 months if you’re active before all the dots are worn flat.  The stealth dot rubber is indeed a lot heavier and clunkier, so a half sole is what most seem to do.  Most running shoes tend to edge like crap, which almost negates the point of putting climbing rubber on them.  The Mutant and Bushido seem like the most common recent options for resole - but really, the TX-whatever shoes are about 100x more popular right now, as I’ve seen.

I had them do a half sole on some Ultra Raptors and the dots lasted about a year. For scrambling edging hardly matters anyway. I don't mind the money as I consider it cheap insurance against slipping and spraining/twisting or worse. Obviously YMMV.

Makes me miss my 5.10 Daescents.