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How often do you climb? [SURVEY]

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Dustin Helmer · · SLC, UT · Joined Feb 2015 · Points: 32

https://forms.gle/GMxYvsXwepYnFVzr9 

Climbing partner and I got into a discussion about climbing frequency. Please chip in by filling out the form, there's beer on the line here.

James Frost · · Prescott, AZ · Joined Jun 2019 · Points: 684

What was the discussion, I'm curious.

Matt Simon · · Black Rock City · Joined Nov 2012 · Points: 203
Dustin Helmer wrote:

https://forms.gle/GMxYvsXwepYnFVzr9 

Climbing partner and I got into a discussion about climbing frequency. Please chip in by filling out the form, there's beer on the line here.

You might want to edit the last question.

How many hours do you drive to climb per month?

vs.

How many hours, on an average day of climbing, do you drive?

Left blank because I wasn't sure which you meant. Good luck!

James Frost · · Prescott, AZ · Joined Jun 2019 · Points: 684
Matt Simon wrote:

You might want to edit the last question.

How many hours do you drive to climb per month?

vs.

How many hours, on an average day of climbing, do you drive?

Left blank because I wasn't sure which you meant. Good luck!

I interpreted it as the latter.

Lena chita · · OH · Joined Mar 2011 · Points: 1,667

Yeah, the last question was very ambiguous. If I drive to the gym twice a week (let's say 20 min one way), and do a weekend trip (let's say 6-7 hrs one way), do you want all this driving time added, total time spent driving to/from? or averaged for the number of climbing days?
Version 1, it would be 40 min+40 min+13 hrs, round to 14.5 hrs.
Version 2, it would be 3.8 hrs.

Dustin Helmer · · SLC, UT · Joined Feb 2015 · Points: 32

Fixed it, thanks! I was more curious how far away y'all are from where you climb, so I changed it to "How many hours do you drive per day, one way to climb (decimals please)?"

Levi X · · Washington · Joined Nov 2017 · Points: 63
Dustin Helmer wrote:

Fixed it, thanks! I was more curious how far away y'all are from where you climb, so I changed it to "How many hours do you drive per day, one way to climb (decimals please)?"

Depends. Is this a normal weekend trip? Is this going to a crag after work? Is this me taking longer weekend trip? I sometimes drive over 10 hours to get somewhere on a longer weekend but for after work I usually try to avoid driving over 30 minutes to get to the crag. 

Dustin Helmer · · SLC, UT · Joined Feb 2015 · Points: 32
James Frost wrote:

What was the discussion, I'm curious.

-- Paraphrasing --

Partner: you know, we probably climb more than 99% of climbers

me: Doubt it. I'd say more than 70%

*somewhere in here a beer wager was made*

partner: you really think anyone besides pros climbs this much? People have jobs and stuff

me: Good point. We're spoiled to live 45 minutes from a crag. Wonder if they get more days/year because of weather.

yadayadayada

For context, we climb 3-4 days/week on average. Some weeks it's every day after work, depending on weather and schoolwork.

Lena chita · · OH · Joined Mar 2011 · Points: 1,667
Dustin Helmer wrote:

Fixed it, thanks! I was more curious how far away y'all are from where you climb, so I changed it to "How many hours do you drive per day, one way to climb (decimals please)?"

It is still ambiguous/unclear, bc many people have a much longer drive to outdoor destination climbing, vs their mid-week gym/local spot. And then there is a question of someone making a weekend drive every weekend, vs someone making the exact same drive twice a season.

If you are really serious about that beer wager, you better break it down into multiple questions:
-- "what is the max distance you are willing to drive for a weekend of climbing?" 

-- "what is the max distance you are willing to drive for a climbing day trip"

-- "what is your average driving-to-climb time per month"

My soft rule is that the hours spent on driving should not exceed the hours of climbing for the trip. I.e. I'm willing to drive up to 3 hrs one way, if I will spend 6 hrs climbing. This is a long day trip. I'm willing to drive 6 hrs one way if I'm going to spend 2 days climbing.

Samuel Parker · · Stockton, CA · Joined Apr 2019 · Points: 15
Lena chita wrote:

It is still ambiguous/unclear, bc many people have a much longer drive to outdoor destination climbing, vs their mid-week gym/local spot. And then there is a question of someone making a weekend drive every weekend, vs someone making the exact same drive twice a season.

If you are really serious about that beer wager, you better break it down into multiple questions:
-- "what is the max distance you are willing to drive for a weekend of climbing?" 

-- "what is the max distance you are willing to drive for a climbing day trip"

-- "what is your average driving-to-climb time per month"

My soft rule is that the hours spent on driving should not exceed the hours of climbing for the trip. I.e. I'm willing to drive up to 3 hrs one way, if I will spend 6 hrs climbing. This is a long day trip. I'm willing to drive 6 hrs one way if I'm going to spend 2 days climbing.

I totally agree with it still being too vague. For surveys, you want the data from a single question to be all measurable and comparable, and if people are interpreting it differently the validity of the data points kinda flies out the window. I think the easiest would be to clarify if you mean to include gym climbing, or simply want to know how long people drive to get to their most frequented outdoor crag (how I chose to interpret it)

Pretty sure you can program a slider measure on Google Forms (i might be thinking of qualtrics tho) that would let people simply pin a dot for the average time spent driving to climbing spots.

John Reeve · · Durango, formely from TX · Joined Nov 2018 · Points: 15
Dustin Helmer wrote:

-- Paraphrasing --

Partner: you know, we probably climb more than 99% of climbers

[...]

For context, we climb 3-4 days/week on average. Some weeks it's every day after work, depending on weather and schoolwork.

That's a vexed question.  

Like, if you're climbing hard 4 times a week, that's about as much as people -can- climb without hurting themselves, so it's not like folks climb a whole lot more than that for extend (multi-year) periods.

But folks do.  I suspect that most folks who consider themselves serious climbers are climbing 3-5 times most weeks... but that leaves out the massive popultion of folks who climb once a week at the gym, or go through a spurt every 6 months and then go back to paddling or biking.

So, like, statistically you're gonna have a real hard time answering that question.

june m · · elmore, vt · Joined Jun 2011 · Points: 116

My minimum is  one pitch   per hour of travel

Em Cos · · Boulder, CO · Joined Apr 2010 · Points: 5

It doesn’t matter if you perfect the survey, you’re not gonna be able to answer your question. The best you could get with perfectly designed survey questions is what percentage of *regular MP users who logged in while this was on the front page and like to answer surveys* climb more than you.

All that really matters is if you’re climbing often enough for you. Buy each other a really great beer, and enjoy it together after a fun climb. 

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