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New North Conway Airbnb - trad climbing, bouldering, sport climbing and mountain biking (fall is coming!)

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Melinda Ching · · Boston, MA · Joined Jul 2015 · Points: 226

Hi everyone,

My partner and I bought a house in North Conway this summer, and we just started listing it on Aibnb and Vrbo. We did a fair amount of upgrades - new floors, updated kitchen, updated bathrooms. It's super spacious with 3 full bathrooms and 5 sleeping areas (sleeps 10). We are totally new to hosting, but are hoping that outdoor enthusiasts will use it. The White Mountain National Forest is literally right next to our backyard too, so you can walk/bike to trails.

Here are just a few of the local climbing spots:

Whitehorse Ledge - 5 minutes
Cathedral Ledge/North End - 8 minutes
Sundown Ledge - 18 minutes

If you have any questions about the space, let me know! We were super super picky about our cleaner and she is great - so rest assured that the place will be sanitized and clean. 

Take care and be safe!

Melinda

Aunt Patty · · Fryeburg, ME · Joined Feb 2014 · Points: 213

Meanwhile, the folks who clean all these second homes can’t find one of their own to rent/buy. But what do I know. 

Melinda Ching · · Boston, MA · Joined Jul 2015 · Points: 226

Hi @Aunt Patty. You bring up an interesting topic of rising housing prices in areas that people often visit for vacations.

Do I have a solution to the consequences of gentrification? No. Are we part of the problem? I guess so. It's a trend that is happening not just in North Conway, but all over the US. With the pandemic and record low mortgage rates, many people (including ourselves) are choosing to find spaces and move out of cities to places with access to the great outdoors. I wish I could move there full-time. But, I love the school that I teach at and need to go back to teach next week. So for now, it's our second home and we have decided to supplement our mortgage payments by renting it out to others.

Anyways, I appreciate your comment and encouraging us and others to think about our impact on the communities we choose to live and move into.

Live Perched · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Sep 2016 · Points: 21

What's Evolve Vacation Rental?  

Melinda Ching · · Boston, MA · Joined Jul 2015 · Points: 226

@Live Perched - Evolve Vacation Rental is a management company based out of Denver that manages the online posts for us. Since we're usually out climbing or out and about during the weekends and unable to be attentive to our phones during the workdays, we aren't able to respond to requests promptly, which affects our listing status. So Evolve does pre-booking communication and then once guests book, we become the guest contacts. 

Aunt Patty · · Fryeburg, ME · Joined Feb 2014 · Points: 213

Good Morning Melinda,

Thank you for sharing your thoughts and perspective. I am glad you and your partner have a place to get away from it all, and share it with others in turn. 

I do think their is a difference between actually moving out of cities and buying additional property outside of cities. 

Tourism is the economic driver in NH, and that is just fine. I am a little bias, but it's pretty darn beautiful up here with a lot of good rocks around. If everyone who visits feels a connection to this place or feels a little better about their lives, that's just a bonus.

However, a lot of services and amenities we all rely on require folks to show up to a job. Ski resorts, grocery stores, etc. All those folks need a place to sleep and cook some food. Recently, both here and in other mountain towns, it feels like there are greatly more people who depend on these amenities and services than those who actually provide them.

I am glad you have a job you love. Teaching is a valuable profession, and the world always needs more teachers.

 Kennett High School hired 3 teachers this summer. They all backed out citing lack of affordable housing...

Anyway, I do not have all the answers either. Frankly, I don't even have one. But, I can offer you my side of the conversation, or coin, as you have offered me yours. 

Be well

John Maclean · · north providence, RI · Joined Jan 2011 · Points: 55

North Conway? Nobody goes there anymore it's too crowded.  The income disparity in the U.S. is increasing, the total  population is also increasing. 

Police, school teachers and per diem professors are horribly under paid. People who are in the working poor category  are making do with food stamps (SNAP) and food banks. What will be the remedy for these problems? Somethings got to give. The minimum wage increases are part of the answer but most other remedies will be portrayed as SOCIALISM and even some of the people who are suffering through the age of high income disparity are conditioned to  not support government efforts to help the lower income group. Please New Hampshire residents make sure you vote in November. Enough of my rant, anybody got any good news?

Joe M · · MA and NH · Joined Dec 2008 · Points: 11,975

@auntpatty It does feel like the real estate market around North Conway has gone through the roof lately. We bought our house in Eidelweiss three years ago and since then it seems like the prices of houses in our neighborhood have gone through the roof. At first, I noticed that more full-timers were buying there because I think the prices were reasonable at first for full-timers. But, lately, houses are selling in a day or two at well above asking price. I get regular contact from real estate agents asking if we want to sell (we don't as we love it there and hope to be full-timers at some point). 

I don't know what the solution is, but it is sad to hear that locals are being priced out.

Dales DeadBug · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2019 · Points: 1,643
John Maclean wrote:

North Conway? Nobody goes there anymore it's too crowded.  

samuel von hammerstien · · North Conway, NH · Joined Sep 2010 · Points: 571

Thanks Aunt Patty, someone had to say it.

Sam

Brian E · · Western North Carolina · Joined Mar 2005 · Points: 363

I was offered a position at a public school in the MWV, but ultimately declined due to high cost of housing and low salary. While I empathize with many of the residents in that area, I also feel NH's lack of income and sales taxes have fueled this problem. Some of the burden of this issue falls on the citizens of NH. If you don't pay for services like quality public education, your communities will struggle to maintain their independence from outside influences. 

Insert name · · Harts Location · Joined Dec 2011 · Points: 57
John Maclean wrote:

North Conway? Nobody goes there anymore it's too crowded.  The income disparity in the U.S. is increasing, the total  population is also increasing. 

Police, school teachers and per diem professors are horribly under paid. People who are in the working poor category  are making do with food stamps (SNAP) and food banks. What will be the remedy for these problems? Somethings got to give. The minimum wage increases are part of the answer but most other remedies will be portrayed as SOCIALISM and even some of the people who are suffering through the age of high income disparity are conditioned to  not support government efforts to help the lower income group. Please New Hampshire residents make sure you vote in November. Enough of my rant, anybody got any good news?

NH has one of the best standards of living and no minimum wage. K-12 schools are #1 and lowest amount of people below poverty.

Don’t think we need any more RI, MA people preaching to convert to their system. ironically our current setup has people moving to ME/NH from states that shut down due to Covid.

I think the issue a lot of N.H. folks. have is people move here and then bitch about how our state is run (gun laws, taxes minimum wage, etc). But if it sucks so bad why did you move?

Insert name · · Harts Location · Joined Dec 2011 · Points: 57
Brian E wrote:

I was offered a position at a public school in the MWV, but ultimately declined due to high cost of housing and low salary. While I empathize with many of the residents in that area, I also feel NH's lack of income and sales taxes have fueled this problem. Some of the burden of this issue falls on the citizens of NH. If you don't pay for services like quality public education, your communities will struggle to maintain their independence from outside influences. 

Ironically plenty of people are moving hear.

Very few Other areas with the outdoor amenities have a relatively similar cost of living.

Brian E · · Western North Carolina · Joined Mar 2005 · Points: 363

"Ironically plenty of people are moving hear.

Very few Other areas with the outdoor amenities have a relatively similar cost of living."

https://www.mountainproject.com/area/105887760/tennessee

Chris Duca · · Dixfield, ME · Joined Dec 2006 · Points: 2,330
Brian E wrote:

"Ironically plenty of people are moving hear.

Very few Other areas with the outdoor amenities have a relatively similar cost of living."

https://www.mountainproject.com/area/105887760/tennessee

Brian, are you still up in the Northeast, or have you moved back south? 

Insert name · · Harts Location · Joined Dec 2011 · Points: 57
Brian E wrote:

"Ironically plenty of people are moving hear.

Very few Other areas with the outdoor amenities have a relatively similar cost of living."

https://www.mountainproject.com/area/105887760/tennessee

I agree Tennessee is cheaper. But it also suffers other downsides (education rating, crime, etc) also a Much different vibe than MWV and demographic.

the market in Chattanooga is suffering the same things. I was deciding between the two with a coworker. I ended up in N.H. and he went to Chattanooga. Can’t say the markets are similar in a lot of ways though.

Austen Bernier · · Conway, NH · Joined Mar 2019 · Points: 199

I grew up poor in North Conway.  I love this town and the White Mountains with my whole heart and being.  I am trying to make it as an outdoor professional, sharing the magic of this landscape so that others can learn from it in the way that I have time and again.  My dream is to live and guide here where I grew up.  This summer, the real estate and gentrification trend exacerbated so drastically that I have had to seriously come to terms with the fact that I might never be able to live in my hometown.  Ever.  

What we need to have is a community-wide discussion that departs from the us-them, the poor-rich, the rural-urban, and looks straight on at how we can both welcome newcomers to the community, while not screwing over everyone who has made the financial sacrifice to live here all along for years in a way that is heart-breakingly unfair.  I DO hope that people will think about the impact that air BnB has on rural communities, and think twice, or otherwise consider how they can offset the impact.  People DO actually live here, and when people from away buy up houses for short-term rentals, it DOES hurt local people.  

I just want an open and honest discussion, and a problem-focused attitude (us climbers are good at that on the rock, why not in life and society?).  There are solutions, maybe even fair ones, if we can just project it together for a bit.  Here's hoping.  

Insert name · · Harts Location · Joined Dec 2011 · Points: 57
Austen Bernier wrote:

I grew up poor in North Conway.  I love this town and the White Mountains with my whole heart and being.  I am trying to make it as an outdoor professional, sharing the magic of this landscape so that others can learn from it in the way that I have time and again.  My dream is to live and guide here where I grew up.  This summer, the real estate and gentrification trend exacerbated so drastically that I have had to seriously come to terms with the fact that I might never be able to live in my hometown.  Ever.  

What we need to have is a community-wide discussion that departs from the us-them, the poor-rich, the rural-urban, and looks straight on at how we can both welcome newcomers to the community, while not screwing over everyone who has made the financial sacrifice to live here all along for years in a way that is heart-breakingly unfair.  I DO hope that people will think about the impact that air BnB has on rural communities, and think twice, or otherwise consider how they can offset the impact.  People DO actually live here, and when people from away buy up houses for short-term rentals, it DOES hurt local people.  

I just want an open and honest discussion, and a problem-focused attitude (us climbers are good at that on the rock, why not in life and society?).  There are solutions, maybe even fair ones, if we can just project it together for a bit.  Here's hoping.  

Austen,

Go to your town meetings and voice your concerns to the local officials.

there needs to be a cap in place on short term rentals and enforcement by the towns on occupancy limits and the issues that come from short term rentals (garbage, noise, parking, etc) are all giant issues that effect quality of life.

Josh · · North Conway, NH · Joined Aug 2016 · Points: 1

Austen,

I grew up and live in the valley. Check out the MWV housing coalition. I have friends on the board and they have been working with many of the local towns on the issues of short term rentals and creating more affordable housing. The Conway town planning board has also recently put together a committee that is looking at setting up regulations and a potential inspection process for short term rentals.

Insert name · · Harts Location · Joined Dec 2011 · Points: 57
Josh wrote:

Austen,

I grew up and live in the valley. Check out the MWV housing coalition. I have friends on the board and they have been working with many of the local towns on the issues of short term rentals and creating more affordable housing. The Conway town planning board has also recently put together a committee that is looking at setting up regulations and a potential inspection process for short term rentals.

Josh,

I have checked out their site. Is the idea to build Funded apartments or is the idea to put a cap on short term rentals in the area?

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

Northeastern States
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