Petzl Dual Connect Adjust

Hi there! I have been using the Petzl Dual Connect Adjust for a bit now and i find it quite bulky especially cause of the fixed arm. I am thinking to cut off the fixed arm and i was wondering if that would compromise somehow the safety? Thank you in advance!

Get a sling of the correct length, put two overhand knots in it, one at the end and one at 1/3rd-ish of the length, sell the Dual Adjust, problem solved.

In general I don't think it is recommendable to put a scissor in a life-line, no matter how it is constructed.

Simion Mihailov wrote: Hi there! I have been using the Petzl Dual Connect Adjust for a bit now and i find it quite bulky especially cause of the fixed arm. I am thinking to cut off the fixed arm and i was wondering if that would compromise somehow the safety? Thank you in advance!

You should sell that one and just buy the Adjust, the one with just a single adjustable arm.

I cut off the fixed arm, and I am much happier with it.  I just use the adjustable arm as PAS and a separate sling/draw for extending my rappel device.

I cannot imagine there being a safety issue, as long as you properly seal the cut end to keep it from fraying.  

Karl Henize wrote: I cut off the fixed arm, and I am much happier with it.  I just use the adjustable arm as PAS and a separate sling/draw for extending my rappel device.

I cannot imagine there being a safety issue, as long as you properly seal the cut end to keep it from fraying.  

I was thinking the same about that. But might try to sell it and buy the one without the fixed arm, if not i will most likely cut it.

After using the single adjust for a while, then being disappointed with the dual connect adjust's stumpy fixed arm, I cannibalized the adjusty parts of both, added a length of retired rope, and now have a two-armed frankenAdjust, where both sides are the same as the good side of the dual. Highly recommended - being able to go into both bolts and adjust both arms are great features to have.

Josh Gates wrote: After using the single adjust for a while, then being disappointed with the dual connect adjust's stumpy fixed arm, I cannibalized the adjusty parts of both, added a length of retired rope, and now have a two-armed frankenAdjust, where both sides are the same as the good side of the dual. Highly recommended - being able to go into both bolts and adjust both arms are great features to have.

Can you post a pic ?

Josh Gates wrote: I cannibalized the adjusty parts of both, added a length of retired rope, and now have a two-armed frankenAdjust, 

Petzl sold this configuration for a bit, i believe it was called the Aid Adjust.  It used a piece of 8mm dynamic instead of the 9mm like the normal one.

Mikey, that sounds like Evolv Adjust which is still available as far as I can tell?

Re: the Evolv Adjust - I believe that it's only rated for aid, not as a lanyard.

PatMas wrote: Mikey, that sounds like Evolv Adjust which is still available as far as I can tell?

Thanks for the correction.  I'd searched for it a while back on Petzl's site and couldn't find it.

Josh Gates wrote:
Re: the Evolv Adjust - I believe that it's only rated for aid, not as a lanyard.

is that something you'd actually be concerned about?

I would have few reservations with using the evolv adjust as a personal lanyard, despite Petzl’s warnings.

The 15 kN static strength requirement for personal lanyards seems overly conservative to me for a dynamic rope.  Petzl apparently measured a maximum force of 6.2 kN in a factor 2 fall on the evolv adjust.

Perhaps someone with more knowledge than me can explain the rationale for the 15 kN static load requirement.

https://m.petzl.com/US/en/Sport/CONNECT-ADJUST-strength-and-certification?ProductName=CONNECT-ADJUST

https://m.petzl.com/US/en/Sport/Risks-related-to-replacing-the-rope-in-the-L35-adjustable-lanyards?ProductName=CONNECT-ADJUST

https://m.petzl.com/US/en/Sport/EVOLV-ADJUST-strength?ProductName=EVOLV-ADJUST

Josh Gates wrote:  

Re: the Evolv Adjust - I believe that it's only rated for aid, not as a lanyard.

That is super cool - i use the single one and have the double just sitting in the closet. May have to try to this out, although it does seem like it would be quite bulky. 

Question for people on here as well : Do you always go into both bolts on sport climbs? I find myself more and more when sport climbing just PAS'ing into one bolt as long as they are solid. 

Mikey Schaefer wrote:

Thanks for the correction.  I'd searched for it a while back on Petzl's site and couldn't find it.

Yeah Mikey, for some reason it isn't with the other Adjust series stuff. Petzl has it categorized under 'Packs and Accessories' maybe due to the different rating its given mentioned above.

As far as the fall rating, all I know is I have personally factor 2'd on mine while aiding and I didn't die and it didn't damage the lanyard.

Dan Daugherty wrote: You can also build a Percell Prusik that will give you the same functionality for about $2 worth of 6mm cord.

It definitely won't give you the same functionality. The connect-adjust is much smoother and quicker to adjust. I'll let you be the judge of whether that's worth the extra ~$45, but let's not pretend you're getting nothing for the extra money.

PWZ wrote:

is that something you'd actually be concerned about?

The instructions include: "The EVOLV ADJUST is not personal protective equipment.", so I am concerned about it, yes. I know enough about engineering to know that I don't know enough about that type of engineering, and I'll listen to the engineers that do. If it was totally safe, they'd make more money marketing it that way, so there's something there that they know that I don't.

Chris Topher wrote:

That is super cool - i use the single one and have the double just sitting in the closet. May have to try to this out, although it does seem like it would be quite bulky. 

Question for people on here as well : Do you always go into both bolts on sport climbs? I find myself more and more when sport climbing just PAS'ing into one bolt as long as they are solid. 

Yeah, it's definitely present on the harness, but I don't find that it gets in the way too much, with the exception of the dangling loop occasionally getting snagged if I have it too long (there's probably some optimization to be done in the arm lengths, too). 

If you're cool with one bolt, then it's a moot point - use the single Connect Adjust. I was finding myself wearing the CA and a chain-style one because I'm not comfortable with one bolt, so this is less bulky by comparison for me.

abandon moderation wrote:

With the chain style PAS, I think it's "standard" to just clip a draw through one of the PAS loops and into the other bolt.

Definitely - that's how I originally did it, but then wanted the easy slide ability of the connect to weight the new system, but that left me only on one bolt, unless I used another PAS (which I'm then only using for one bolt, instead of the normal two that it can do). A frustrating circle of not-quite-enough solutions, but now I'm happy with the double-armed connect hybrid :)

Aside from the “just clove hitch the rope” comment, look into the Kong slyde. It’s $10 and seems like to would work for what you are looking for. I burnt a small hole after the stopper knot and added a keychain ring. I can the clip the ring into the locker and it keeps the tail out of the way. OR you could buy a metolius pas which is lighter and can be clipped shorter.
 What benefit are you getting from the Petzl product that you wouldn’t get from these cheaper and less bulky alternatives?

Another option with the single leg connect adjust is to replace the rope with a slightly longer (and skinnier depending on usage) rope and then when two clip in points are needed just clove hitch a draw into the tail and clip in with that as well.  This is the system i've been running for a couple years now.  I replaced the rope with a piece of 8mm dynamic which obviously makes the the system a bit weaker but also a lot less bulky.  I find the trade off worth it but like all lighter and weaker gear a bit more attention needs to be paid so might not be a good fit for others.