Tagline

Recent discussions on the forum have re-ignited my search for a tagline. I've read through some old posts on the subject, but would like to hear any suggestions anyone can offer regarding a screaming deal on a tagline right now. 6-8mm X 60-70m would be my target. Thank you.   

Hard to beat $89 for the BD 6mm static pull cord. Plus whatever the current Active Junky cash back is from Backcountry or Steep and Cheap. It's 65M

Andrew Rice wrote: Hard to beat $89 for the BD 6mm static pull cord. Plus whatever the current Active Junky cash back is from Backcountry or Steep and Cheap. It's 65M

Screaming deal. Gracias Senor.

Now as far as ultra-usefulness. Any suggestions on a killer deal for a thin dynamic line in order to have it available to climb on in emergency situations?

I've always been curious how necessary the extra 5 meters are for static taglines.

Bug Boy wrote: I've always been curious how necessary the extra 5 meters are for static taglines.

I'm saying that I just want to be able to climb back up the small cord in an emergency situation. Thusly the dynamic line.

M Appelquist wrote: Are any 1/2 ropes rated for single rope use? 

There's triple rated ropes. 

shop.epictv.com/en/ropes/be…

For those interested. I found this.

https://shop.epictv.com/en/static-ropes/edelrid/rap-line-ii-60mm?sku=EDE16_ROPRAP_RED50#product-page--details

This sounds like what you are looking for, 6mm and rated for 2 falls.  I wouldn't want to test it out, but if I am cruxing out tied in to a skinny line then this sounds like the best option. 

Bug Boy wrote: I've always been curious how necessary the extra 5 meters are for static taglines.

Given that you should always put the big dynamic line through an anchor plus the natural stretch of a dynamic line when rapping, the extra 5 is just to be sure you don't rap off the end of your pull cord by accident. Next time I use mine to rap I'll pay attention to how close the ends come to lining up as I near the bottom. 

I believe it is in Mark Twight's book that it is mentioned that all half-ropes will withstand at least one UIAA test-fall with the 80kg weight, but manufactures aren't allowed to make the claim. (halfs are, I believe, tested and given a #-of-falls-rating with a 40kg weight). Think about how a half rope is used: You leave the belay, clip rope1 into protection 1,    then rope 2 into protection2,    then rope 1 into protection3 .... What if you fall before you clip protection#2???   Is UIAA really going to certify a rope that would break in this situation? Somehow I don't think so.
 Twins, of course, are designed for both ropes to go into every protection point, but have you seen a twin rope that isn't also "half" rated? Might be one or two out there somewhere.

Does Edelrid make a belay device that is certified to work with said 6mm line?  That's a pretty small diameter, most belay devices "bottom out" at around 7mm if I'm not mistaken.

I prefer the cheapest 1/2, twin, etc rope - that way you can lead on it in extenuating circumstances. Bought my 7.9mm line for under $90.
or
if the 60m set goes on sale again: shop.epictv.com/en/ropes/be… that is the lightest two 60m rope setup.

My current Beal Joker + tagline weigh 12.3 lbs - the 7.3mm gully twins are 9.6 lbs for 60m (would require new belay devices, though) 

A Johnson wrote: Now as far as ultra-usefulness. Any suggestions on a killer deal for a thin dynamic line in order to have it available to climb on in emergency situations?

Have you looked into the Edelrid Rap Line II? It's rated for a fall although it's not dynamic. Basically it acts like a screamer if you fall on it while trying to lead back up to free a stuck rope. I haven't used it personally but that is the one that I will probably buy.

https://www.edelrid.de/en/sports/accessory-cords/rap-line-protect-pro-dry-6mm.html

Using any sort for half rope or non-static pull cord/haul line isn’t worth the added benefit especially with some semistatic products that are theoretically able to withstand one fall.  Pulling all of the stretch out of a dynamic lead line when hauling and/or rappelling is heinous and tiring. 

I have a Sterling 6mm 60 meter static pull cord I will sell for $40 shipped.  I’ve used it like 4 times.  It’s red and originally marketed for canyoneering I recall.  In great shape.   Try out the system.  I liked it and upgraded to the Edelrid Rapline II.

Does anyone have any recommendations for a good 1/2, twin rope 

I grabbed an Edelrid Flycatcher some time ago and use it often for 5.easy... it’s 7.1, 70m, and will work in a dm pivot on guide mode. Might weigh 5-6lbs? Feels like a 22oz beer in the hand, so plenty light enough for those “just in case” routes and combines well w my 8.5 opera to tie on for dbl rope raps

The Rap Line can be used with the Micro Jul, but Edelrid makes and recommends the Mago 8.  It's a modified figure 8 with a built in stitch plate. The Mago's are hard to come by in North America, but they are available, just ask your local shop to special order it for you
https://www.edelrid.de/en/sports/descender/mago-8.html
https://media.edelrid.de/images/attribut/54581_GAL_Rap%20Line%20Protect%20Pro%20Dry_ANSICHT.pdf