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Evan Diffor
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May 23, 2020
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Lacrosse, WI
· Joined May 2020
· Points: 0
Hey, I'm looking to get into ice climbing and need some input regarding ice axes. I'm looking at the Petzl nomic, BD Fuel and Grivel tech machine. Any suggestions?
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Linnaeus
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May 23, 2020
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ID
· Joined Aug 2011
· Points: 0
There are 10 years of threads on some of the differences. I would just buy which ever you find the best deal on, they all climb well enough. The Trango tools are inexpensive and replacement picks are cheap; Cassin picks are also inexpensive. If you have a very large or very small hand then the tool choice can matter a bit more (some fit certain extremes of size better). The classic recommendation is to go ice cragging and try your friends/partners/everyones tools; sometimes this is most easily done at an ice fest. And if you still can't decide, just get some used Petzl Nomics and consider the Pur Ice picks.
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jdejace
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May 23, 2020
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New England
· Joined Sep 2013
· Points: 5
None of them suck and it comes down to personal preference, so it doesn't really matter which you get as a beginner. Barring preference I think the Petzl system is nice (they tend to keep parts around for a while in contrast to Grivel, and the tools are pretty modular with pick weights).
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Kevin Mcbride
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May 23, 2020
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Canmore AB
· Joined Jan 2017
· Points: 505
Try as many as you can before you buy.
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Fabien M
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May 23, 2020
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Cannes
· Joined Dec 2019
· Points: 5
I agree with all of the above, no one makes "bad tools" anymore, they are all good, just be sure you buy the one you re the most confortable with (for me its the Nomic)
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Mark Pilate
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May 23, 2020
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MN
· Joined Jun 2013
· Points: 25
All the above is true, but he’s a beginner looking for a clear, decisive answer. Buy the Nomics
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christoph benells
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May 23, 2020
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tahoma
· Joined Nov 2014
· Points: 306
I would get the Tech machines, use them twice, sell them on Mountain proj because youre hand wont fit in the handle with big gloves, then get the Nomics, decide that you don't like them because you dont trust the plastic pommel, sell those to a friend, Buy the BD fuels because you got a pro deal, climb on them once on a really cold day then you sell those because the picks cause the ice to dinner plate too much for your liking.
Simultaneously do this with crampons and boots, while trying to get the boots to fit your feet, and the crampons that you have at the moment to fit your boots.
All this to climb a rambling WI3.
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Mark Pilate
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May 23, 2020
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MN
· Joined Jun 2013
· Points: 25
Well....thanks to Christoph’s spoiler, Evan can start immediately as a third year ice climber.
You owe him one, Evan
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Alex O'Neill
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May 23, 2020
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Boone, NC
· Joined Feb 2015
· Points: 0
I started on the nomics and switched to x-all mountains, and have found those to be much more natural feeling, especially on <wi4
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Gunkiemike
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May 23, 2020
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Unknown Hometown
· Joined Jul 2009
· Points: 3,687
And I prefer Trango Raptors to both the Nomics and the X-Alls. So there.
To the OP - whatever you do, don't buy a pair of 25 year old tools for $100/pr. "Buy nice or buy twice" is real. Old crampons can be fine though as long as they fit your boots well.
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Jay Eggleston
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May 23, 2020
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Denver
· Joined Feb 2003
· Points: 21,687
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Bale
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May 23, 2020
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Unknown Hometown
· Joined Feb 2011
· Points: 0
Jay beat me to it; in water ice climbing, they are typically called ice tools. I still love my BD Cobras.
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Alex O'Neill
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May 23, 2020
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Boone, NC
· Joined Feb 2015
· Points: 0
If you get an AAC membership the trango raptors are a steal!
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