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Zack Wrangler
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May 8, 2020
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North Dakota
· Joined Oct 2019
· Points: 0
What makes a route be considered a trade route or what is a trade route. I tried to look it up and haven’t had much luck finding a real answer.
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petzl logic
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May 8, 2020
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Unknown Hometown
· Joined Aug 2013
· Points: 730
Zack Ostendorf wrote: What makes a route be considered a trade route or what is a trade route. I tried to look it up and haven’t had much luck finding a real answer. like in the age of exploration?
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F Loyd
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May 8, 2020
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Kennewick, WA
· Joined Mar 2018
· Points: 808
petzl logic wrote: like in the age of exploration? Close. They are named Trade routes in honor of Sir Francis Trade, who discovered and pioneered the rock formations.
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Sawyer W
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May 8, 2020
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NH
· Joined May 2018
· Points: 0
It’s a pretty loose term, but if the chances that you are going to run into a camel train are greater than or equal to 50% you can safely assume that you are on a trade route
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Nathan Sullivan
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May 8, 2020
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Fort Collins, CO
· Joined Sep 2018
· Points: 0
Popular routes, or the go-to route for an area.
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Kellen Miller
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May 8, 2020
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Fullerton, CA
· Joined Jun 2017
· Points: 15
Trad/Gear route as opposed to a bolted sport route. Traditional Gear. It is Traditional anytime you must use gear-cams and passive protection. I have never heard anyone refer to a bolted route as Traditional. But go ahead, because essentially sport routes can be over bolted where as if it is gear and bolts it could still be considered Traditional
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Andrew Krajnik
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May 8, 2020
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Plainfield, IL
· Joined Jul 2016
· Points: 1,739
Kellen Miller wrote: Trad/Gear route as opposed to a bolted sport route. Traditional Gear. It is Traditional anytime you must use gear-cams and passive protection. I have never heard anyone refer to a bolted route as Traditional. But go ahead, because essentially sport routes can be over bolted where as if it is gear and bolts it could still be considered Traditional
OP is asking about "Trade" routes, not "Trad" routes. Trade routes is a term that refers to heavily-trafficked routes, i.e. routes that havea line of parties at the base waiting for their turn to climb, or multipitch routes that frequently have multiple parties on them at the same time. I'm not sure who coined the term, but I assume it's based on the the "trade routes" in the age of sail; sailing routes that tended to have favorable winds, and therefore had a significant amount of traffic.
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Zack Wrangler
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May 8, 2020
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North Dakota
· Joined Oct 2019
· Points: 0
Thank for the ones who gave legit answers. Makes sense seen the term thrown around but always felt to dumb to ask.
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Buck Rio
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May 8, 2020
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MN
· Joined Jul 2015
· Points: 16
Easy/moderate, good movement, superior position....
Rewritten, Wind Ridge, Bastille Crack in Eldo Double Cross & Dogleg in JTree Corrugation Corner at Lover's Leap After 6/7 in Yosemite (maybe Nutcracker too) Durrance Route on Devils Tower
The list goes on. The way to tell if you are on a trade route it to look for polished holds. They only get polished if they see a lot of traffic.
EDIT: I don't think sport routes can be categorized as "Trade" routes.
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JCM
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May 8, 2020
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Unknown Hometown
· Joined Jun 2008
· Points: 115
At many areas, 20% of routes get 80% of the traffic. Or sometimes in more severe cases it is more like 10% of routes get 90% of the traffic. Those heavily trafficked routes...trade routes.
I hear the term usually applied to long multipitch routes, and especially so for big wall / aid routes. For instance, you would describe Spaceshot and Moonlight Buttress as Zion trade routes. I'm not sure I've ever heard the term applied to popular single pitch sport climbs.
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Paul Morrison
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May 8, 2020
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Unknown Hometown
· Joined Nov 2006
· Points: 55
Trade route = it's in the Supertopo book.
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David Bruneau
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May 8, 2020
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St. John
· Joined Feb 2012
· Points: 2,650
If: -The ledges all smell like pee -You see gear falling out of the sky -The rock makes squeaking noises when you place your feet It's probably a trade route
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Bharath T
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May 8, 2020
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Boulder CO
· Joined Aug 2018
· Points: 70
it's one you're allowed to swap with another one, provided the climber on the other route is willing to trade.
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Glowering
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May 8, 2020
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Unknown Hometown
· Joined Oct 2011
· Points: 16
JCM wrote: At many areas, 20% of routes get 80% of the traffic. Or sometimes in more severe cases it is more like 10% of routes get 90% of the traffic. Those heavily trafficked routes...trade routes.
I hear the term usually applied to long multipitch routes, and especially so for big wall / aid routes. For instance, you would describe Spaceshot and Moonlight Buttress as Zion trade routes. I'm not sure I've ever heard the term applied to popular single pitch sport climbs. This. To me it seems like 15 years ago it was in reference to wall routes. e.g. The Nose, The Salathe, Zodiac are trade routes on El Cap. But it has since come to mean popular multipitch routes that get a lot of traffic. In another 10 years it will probably apply to popular sport climbs.
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Fail Falling
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May 8, 2020
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@failfalling - Oakland, Ca
· Joined Jan 2007
· Points: 916
This thread fell apart rather quickly even for MP
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Glowering
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May 8, 2020
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Unknown Hometown
· Joined Oct 2011
· Points: 16
Kevin DeWeese wrote: This thread fell apart rather quickly even for MP Maybe it could be combined with the sewing thread.
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Fail Falling
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May 8, 2020
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@failfalling - Oakland, Ca
· Joined Jan 2007
· Points: 916
Glowering wrote: Maybe it could be combined with the sewing thread. This thread is much too thick for most of the sewing machines on that thread, best to wrap it up and ship it to Luke so he can frankenstein this thread into something worthwhile.
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