Driven Stakes as Rappel Anchors
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I am searching for any published results recording the holding strength of stakes driven into the earth as rappel anchors, preferably substantial metal anchors. |
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Jim Titt has this sort of info on his web site. |
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Don, in the "leads" category:
Your local or national canyoneering club is likely the right contact for this question. Here in the climbing world, we want every anchor to be able to hold a pickup truck dropped from a mile up; by contrast, those rowdybois who run canyons would rappel from dental floss wrapped around a loose thimble without batting an eyelash. |
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For multiple stake systems you should check military manuals, they build them for heavy vehicle recovery anchors. We only ever use single (,or rarely double) so I never tested anything else. |
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There is this but it only applied for anchor placed in snow (with a recap spreadsheet at the end) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYtYZgeUpek |
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I'd drop a YGD on you, but you sound like you know what you're doing! |
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I don't have an answer to your question but sounds like great fun. I've bagged Silver Peak on Catalina a few times. The wilds of the Channel Islands are a treasure. |
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My crew used a similar anchor setup for rappelling while working in Mesa Verde National Park over a decade ago. I have to admit that it scared the crap out of my fellow climber friends, but the anchors always seemed super bomber. |
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Skinner Butte in Eugene used to have a couple of stakes driven in the soil behind the basalt columns for top rope anchors. There were used for years. Don't know if they are still there (30+ years). |
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its a common anchor method in Iceland for ICESAR. they basically pound rebar into the ground for anchors... |
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Some possible leads: |
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Really good resourse Tammy. youtube.com/watch?v=-RrtcBN… (video as linked above in previous post) |
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Don, are you still in the Ventura area? In Ojai there is foothill crag. There are some large stakes or “big bolts” leading up to the cave halfway up the crag. Are they kinda what your talking about? Those things are mega bomber, I’d dare say you could hang a truck off of those |
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Tammy Gueterman wrote: Tandem pickets are used in rope rescue usually 3 in a line "1-1-1" each tied back. Originally, circus tent stakes were used, but now there are now purpose built stakes and plates that replace the tieback webbing. Sort of like anchoring to trees and shrubbery, you'll never have a engineer out there telling you how much a particular system is rated but typically they are good for several thousand pounds. I haven't found good published data and I'm not sure if it exists since the strength depends on the soil. In this test in rocky desert soil they pulled 6000 lbs and the pickets didn't budge. They also did a test on the plate version with similar results. I also prefer this rigging method to pretension all of the pickets and the interleaved webbing makes it redundant against failure of the first picket.I looked at one of those videos and began to wonder how they got the stakes back out. Is there an easy method, or just a lot of hammering back and forth to widen the hole? |
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In my experience, removing the stakes is quite straightforward. Tap a few times sideways, then tap the opposite way and you can then just pull the stake right out. Soil type undoubtedly makes a difference |
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To respond to Jeff Luton's post: I haven't been to Foothill crag recently, but those would be placed in (relatively) solid rock, kind of mega pitons. i am talking about stakes in soil, and then loaded laterally. The references given earlier seem to indicate rather decent holding power around 1000 pounds per stake, no matter how aligned. This is indeed helpful and reasonably reassuring. |
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I've done a good bit of research on this topic. I'll try to give you an unbiased opinion but full disclosure I designed an anchor plate and picket anchor system you've already seen on this thread. The most robust data comes from the Industrial Fabrics Association International and the University of Illinois "Pullout Capacity of Tent Stakes" They made a pretty good pocket guide here http://tent.ifai.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/16/2016/06/trd_2014_stakingpocketguide.pdf |