More/Less Dangerous? Mountaineering or Rock Climbing?

In the mountains, hazards can be less obvious, no? Do more people get dead/messed up in the mountains or from regular rock climbing? Percentage wise.

If one includes alpine climbing under mountaineering, I would guess, pitch by pitch, alpinism is more dangerous for a variety of reasons, including altitude, avalanches, rock fall, remoteness, weather, fatigue, etc. 

In the eastern Sierra, there are many more SAR call outs and fatalities for mountaineers.  I don’t know the percentages, but it’s not even close.

But I still wear a helmet sport climbing. 

Bagel Sendwich wrote: If one includes alpine climbing under mountaineering, I would guess, pitch by pitch, alpinism is more dangerous for a variety of reasons, including altitude, avalanches, rock fall, remoteness, weather, fatigue, etc. 

I'm referring to mountaineering but the line between mountaineering and alpinism is a little blurry. I would agree that alpinism is by far more dangerous than mountaineering or rock climbing.

stupid question.  hands down mountaineering.  even 3rd class peak bagging is way more dangerous than climbing. what do you think the call out ratio is between Black tail Bute and Teeweionot…

We should make mountaineering safer. It is way too dangerous as it is. We should put bolts in all those snow slopes.

Heck , even Alex Honold couldn't get up a 3rd class peak without falling hundreds of feet and knocking himself the fck out.  ;)

Tradiban wrote: In the mountains, hazards can be less obvious, no? Do more people get dead/messed up in the mountains or from regular rock climbing? Percentage wise.

By percentage I would say mountaineering, and by a huge margin. Lots of gumby peak baggers getting in over their head. But I would be interested in seeing some stats

Fun Police wrote: 
Mountaineering above 6000m is the most dangerous sport according to the below TGR publishing.

I believe Cave Diving, scuba in underground lakes and rivers, is the most dangerous.  

Driving to the crag

certainly cave diveing is dumb as fck but not certain its any more or less dangerous than high altitude dying.

In CO, the majority of climbing related deaths would fall under the header of mountaineering...

curt86iroc wrote: In CO, the majority of climbing related deaths would fall under the header of mountaineering...

How so? Few last climbing fatalities in CO were from crag climbing. Last few fatalities on mountains that I’ve heard of were hikers getting lost or off trail.

Fehim Hasecic wrote:

How so? Few last climbing fatalities in CO were from crag climbing. Last few fatalities on mountains that I’ve heard of were hikers getting lost or off trail.

depends how to define hikers vs. climbers. if you are on a 14er or anywhere above treeline attempting to summit a mountain, i'm calling you a mountaineer.