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Black Diamond OZ carabiners discontinued?
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These were my favorite biners. And the alpine draws were some of the lightest and best handling available. Anyone know why they're not being made anymore? |
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black diamond is coming out with a new carabiner. Not sure if it’s meant to replace the oz. also not sure what the nose shape looks like |
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i hope it doesn't have the super bulky nose that doesn't fit through pins and other tight spots very well. |
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Agreed. The new carabiner is called the “mini-wire.” |
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Any specs/pics of the new carabiner? |
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would this be it? |
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The geometry of the Oz never worked in my average sized hand. It didn't feel secure and always felt like it was going to slip upward and out. IMO, the similar size/weight DMM Phantom is much more comfortable to hold. I'm interested to try the BD replacement. |
Peter Y wrote: would this be it? Looks like it. Since I mean...that patent seems to be assigned to BD. This is what I'm going off of: It looks like from the video though, that the mini-wire is more of a copy of the nano-22, since I see what appears to be a small nose hook. |
Peter Y wrote: would this be it? looks....weird |
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if the miniwire is based on this patent's design, it's basically just a keylock carabiner with a wiregate that's 23 grams instead of the oz's 28 |
Chris C. wrote: looks kinda like the Camp Dyon |
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Interesting design... Looks like the nose doesn’t protrude further than the gate, which I would expect to be less than ideal for clipping rope into, but wouldn’t matter for holding the biner and clipping it into other things. Hard to tell until trying one out in person though |
Peter Y wrote: would this be it? |
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FWIW The new wiregates available to play with at Outdoor Retailer would snag on bolts, slings, nuts, etc. |
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Hope they continue making hooded wire gates, even if they don’t fit in some hangars. |
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Welp, I dropped the extra money and got DMM Chimera biners instead. |
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Anyone have pictures or specs on the new version? The patent looks promising, but not enough to stop me from replacing the rest of my OZs on my rack with nano 22s. |
mike again wrote: Anyone have pictures or specs on the new version? The patent looks promising, but not enough to stop me from replacing the rest of my OZs on my rack with nano 22s. Nanos have a real small radius in the rope basket and trying them on the rope side of alpine draws I noticed significantly more drag on long pitches (45-70 meters) than when I had OZs. The gates also get sticky. Wild country astros clock in at the same weight as OZs, have a much better rope radius, are easier to clip, and the gates never get sticky. FWIW. |
Nick Drake wrote: Interesting. I haven't strictly done this experiment, although I've climbed lots of long pitches with the mixture of OZ and nanos on my rack it's not been systematic. I notice rope drag when I screw something up more than based on the biners. Common observation? |
mike again wrote: My partner thought the same when we tried the nano vs OZ/astro on the rope side. The less the rope has to bend around a biner the less you'll notice this. Problem is on the moderate terrain we're usually running 50-70 meter leads it's usually more wandering and single slings can't always get you a straight enough rope run. If you're just doing single pitch stuff and less than 45 meters I doubt you'll notice any difference at all. It's slight, but it's there. |
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Does this mean we will be seeing some remarkable clearance sales on the BD OZ's? |
