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Skimping on swivels?
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I'm gonna buy a swivel and I've seen a bunch on amazon for less than 20$ like this one that are mainly advertised for aerial dancing. Does anyone know how reliable these kinda of swivels from non-major climbing brands are? The BD rotor is 50 bucks. Any advice? Thanks! |
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They make a bunch of other rock rigging type gear, it specifically lists climbing as one of the uses, and is good to 30KN. I have no experience with this, but at 40% of the cost of the BD version, even if it only lasts half as long, you're still ahead, right? |
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what do you plan on using a swivel for? |
alpinist 47 wrote: what do you plan on using a swivel for? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha ahem. Climb more traversing routes. Rap more pitches with the pig. Have a real haul bag that's heavier than a wall hauler's 600lb max can handle. It'll seem needed. TBH, I've never heard of anyone putting a swivel above their hauling device. Use rope bags if it's windy. |
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smells like a Chinese knockoff. I wouldn't trust the listed rating. |
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Standard for arboriculture. Literally thousands of people use this gear as their main life support every day. Don't speak on what you don't know. Unless you want to look arrogant. |
Kelley Gilleran wrote: Standard for arboriculture. Literally thousands of people use this gear as their main life support every day. Don't speak on what you don't know. Unless you want to look arrogant. Wasn't talking about the product you posted, I was talking about the thing on amazon that the OP posted. Less than half the price of what it should cost, grammatical errors, other errors and wording that a climber wouldn't write, it smells fishy to me. |
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Gotcha sorry.. |
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$20 usd, identical to BD swivel: grandwallequipment.ca/produ… |
alpinist 47 wrote:i have used one above a wall hauler......while hauling the ropes can twist from spinning in the wind ...Is this a joke? |
 I guess this could be the even cheaper option https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01AYHZBIE/ref=sspa_mw_detail_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1 |
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That’s not a wall hauler, it’s a pulley with a swivel. It’s designed for a different purpose than what the OP is asking about. |
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A swivel is one of the few things in your haul system that won’t have redundancy, so I wouldn’t be cheap on it. |
PatMas wrote: A swivel is one of the few things in your haul system that won’t have redundancy, so I wouldn’t be cheap on it. Exactly. Everything has a cost. Money is a cost, time is a cost, even emotion is a cost. Taking a trip to Yosemite to climb a wall has costs. You leave your job/school, you leave your wife, girlfriend, kids. You spend money to travel. You buy the necessary equipment, you buy food. Your partner also bears the same costs.You’re up on your wall (after waiting for the weather to clear or other parties to get ahead of you (time-cost)). You get going, you‘re hanving a great time. The bag gets stuck on the tiniest little flake. You give the haul system a pump, the bag doesn’t move. You yell down to your buddy to free the bag but it’s going to take a few minutes for him to get in position to get to it. You give the bag another pump. Your cheapo swivel breaks and your bags plummet to the ground. Failure has a really big cost. |
Mark Hudon wrote: Is this a joke? My guess is that he/she is talking about a 3:1 haul with the lower pulley way down the line - slid down there by weighting it with part of the rack. The wind might then spin the bag and twist the down and up lines into a high-friction mess. Just a guess. |
alpinist 47 wrote: what do you plan on using a swivel for?Have you actually tried this? If you twist the wall hauler with a swivel attached above, the unweighted strand will twist around the weighted strand causing a major clusterf**k. |
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Again, spend the $20 on the grand wall equipment swivel that is a direct BD knockoff and move on... |
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i was hauling to the 4th anchor on tangerine trip...long time ago..i have no idea why i put the swivel on the hauler... which bugs me because it does seem dumb even now.. |
alpinist 47 wrote:i am curious how climbers use em and if they are helpful....what is the advantage for use with heavy pig?..while rapping? traversing? Climbers use them by attaching them between the haul bag and the haul line. I doubt you didn't know this. Yes they are helpful which is why they are usedTraversing: as the pigs slide along the wall after being released from the anchor they spin. Without a swivel, this twists the haul line and causes the haul line to link abd knot itself once it's pulled through the hauling device. If you have two haul bags side by side the two bags' straps get mangled together, worse if you're using catch lines as well for the ledges the wag bag etc. Rapping: when rapping with pigs they will spin beneath you or when they come in contact with the wall. This twists up the haul bag straps and causes issues Heavy pigs: with heavy pigs the spinning of the bag can bind up the haul bag straps abd the weight of the pig makes it difficult to undo |
