The latest, greatest 2:1 hauling kit

Ben Podborski wrote:

hello everyone 

I did a little recreational hauling last month with my 2:1 Cric set up, and it went well! Easy to switch to a 1;1 with the same item also.

Does anyone else have any use and reviews?

I am waiting on my CRIC to be delivered.  I will be using it to replace the bottom pulley, biner and basic in my haul kit.  

26 pages of telling people “don’t change the kit” and now we’re changing the Kit 

Quinn Hatfield wrote:

26 pages of telling people “don’t change the kit” and now we’re changing the Kit 

It’s been 5 years since a new piece of gear ‘MIGHT’ improve the ‘ultimate 2:1’.  

I'm interested to hear the results of your testing with the cric, Skot. Weight wise its about the same as basic + partner + carabiner. (Or the cric is heavier if you swap out the biner for a bit of cord)

The biggest advantages I'd see are the distance from pulley to grab, which means you've got less distance to reach for resetting, which could result in some efficiency gain in the movement, and just less faff from pieces flopping around during setup.

One tiny downside is a bit of a drop risk in that rigging it on and off the rope opens the pulley connection as well. But it seems one doesn't have to open the plate all the way so it shouldn't be too bad. 

I haven't seen any specs regarding the pulley efficiency on the Cric. Do we know how it compares to the 91% efficiency on the partner?

The CRIC is much shorter than the pulley, biner & basic combo.
im not too worried about the efficiency of the pulley. It’s a sealed cartridge bearing so its high quality.  The most important pulley is the top pulley so even if the pulley is less ‘efficient’ than the top pulley it’s not a concern of mine.  I’ve done a tiny amount of trying it out in the shop but as we all know the real test will be in the spring on the captain.  No amount of garage / backyard hauling provides the same feedback as actual wall hauling.  The CRIC seems very well made, the fit and finish of it is nice.  Minor consideration regarding the drop potential given it needs to be opened up to insert the haul line, but only time will tell.  

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cheers.  

Hi all! I read through the thread and didn't see a lot of people using other swivel pulleys on their system. I saw Petzl makes one called the Spin (S1 and L1). Does anyone have any experience using one of these instead of a CMC or RockExotica one? I've got a Petzl ProDeal so this would be significantly more cost efficient.

Kevin DeWeese wrote:

145g vs 290g otherwise it's fine 

The small one (S1, not L1) is 145g. Seems like Petzl just copied the omni block.

Kevin DeWeese wrote:

145g vs 290g otherwise it's fine 

Yea but….   The cmc doesn’t declare the efficiency so….

alright, my first post here. be gentle. I'm learning and i'm late to the party. 

Is there a reason to have the petzl basic ascender on this system if i already have a jumar on my person for jugging?  is this for efficiency and not needing to move it over?

Eric Gunderson wrote:

alright, my first post here. be gentle. I'm learning and i'm late to the party. 

Is there a reason to have the petzl basic ascender on this system if i already have a jumar on my person for jugging?  is this for efficiency and not needing to move it over?

Jumar big. Basic little. You get more haul per haul with little than with big. 

On my walls, the leader never carries a set of ascenders. We have two sets but one is carried in the gear closet in case we drop the original set.

Mark, what other backup gear do you pack in the closet. I was thinking a spare grigri. Perhaps alfifi too but how could one drop that? Edit: And maybe a spare aider. 

If I was soloing I'd have a spare grigri (on my solo of Iron Hawk I did drop the one and only that I had with me). I'd pack a set of lighter, Alpine aiders.

With a partner, we'd trade aiders if we dropped a set. Essentially nothing extra aside from the jugs.

Mark Hudon wrote:

On my walls, the leader never carries a set of ascenders. We have two sets but one is carried in the gear closet in case we drop the original set.

How do you haul the gear pig and the hauling kit?  

The haul kit is the only thing we tag up at the end of a pitch. It’s light enough to do hand over hand.

When I got my Russian aiders from Ollie at Aideer I bought three so I could go leashless and not be hosed if I dropped one. Haven’t dropped one yet but haven’t tried anything big with them, yet, either. 

Did anyone tried replacing the Basic and the pulley with the new CRIC from Climbing technology ? 

Seems like it would be more compact allowing a longer pull, just wondering how efficient that pulley really is...

https://www.climbingtechnology.com/en/outdoor-en/pulleys-and-ascenders/pulleys-ascenders/cric

I have. Works well for me.

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J D wrote:

Did anyone tried replacing the Basic and the pulley with the new CRIC from Climbing technology ? 

Seems like it would be more compact allowing a longer pull, just wondering how efficient that pulley really is...

https://www.climbingtechnology.com/en/outdoor-en/pulleys-and-ascenders/pulleys-ascenders/cric

I have the CRIC now but have not real world tested it. To me the only real real world testing is actually doing a route on ElCap.  Doing ZM with Max Jones in three weeks.  I’ll report back