Fact: The Prana Zion Stretch pants aren't that great.

“Gerry” stretch pants from Amazon are the poor mans Zion with a better slim fit, stronger fabric and 1/3 the price. $29

I like that they are baggy and don’t fit like lady britches. I hate that masculinity is so frowned upon now and men are forced to dress like women. 

^ Maybe you are just embarassed that you have a flabby butt.

Tucker Bloxham wrote:I hate that masculinity is so frowned upon now and men are forced to dress like women. 

What planet do you live on? This would be obnoxious if it weren't so comically idiotic.

Tucker Bloxham wrote:I hate that masculinity is so frowned upon now and men are forced to dress like women. 

What the literal f@&$# does this mean?!

No one cares what you wear.

Holy shit Batman, while I was reading this post I got an email  from Amazon about prAna Men's Standard Stretch Zion pants...

So kids, the MAN  is reading all of your correspondence and advertising based on content. Either scary or pretty cool.

Chris Fedorczak wrote:

What the literal f@&$# does this mean?!

No one cares what you wear.

He's from Scotland.

https://www.levi.com/US/en_US/apparel/clothing/bottoms/511-slim-fit-colored-mens-jeans/p/045113613

less than $30 shipped anda bright color for the instabang!

FWIW
Wearing Stretch Zions now that I probably bought about 6 years back. No holes yet. Fabric is holding up fairly well. While I have certainly used these in some chimneys, if I know I'm doing any significant amount of chimney or OW I'll usually dress appropriately. Disposable stretch denim jeans of some kind + knee pads under it, disposable long sleeve shirt, hopefully with a bit of stretch or oversized. The stretch zions are kinda my summer light bushwhacking and climbing pants. They don't handle cold well. Kinda wish they had cargo pockets on both sides as I tend to overload the one with bars.

I had a pair of the Brions, and they are better looking. The size was wrong for me so resold them. Lack of the built in waist belt was a detraction as well, but now that I know how to sew that is not a concern any more. Lack of a cargo pocket wasn't nice, and that would be more annoying to try to add.

OR Ferrosi Pants are quite thin. Unfortunately they are NOT the same material as found throughout the OR Ferrosi hoody... They appear to be similar to the thinner stretchy material found in just a small section near the cuffs to allow more stretch. I was hoping they would be the same material as the bulk of the Ferrosi Hoody as I have one and it has lasted admirably. I have put it on so often as bushwhacking pro or OW pro for shirts and fleeces, or puffys when colder and significant chimney/OW pitches on a climb. Yeah, it has some holes forming, but they are still small. Mostly the fabric is just being abraded thinner and thinner near the lower back (I don't always tuck it under the harness) and a bit on the shoulders from OW.

(How much Chimney/OW? For the Ferrosi Hoody at least 4 laps on Chrysler Crack, 3 trips up Tunnel Vision, Group Therapy, 5+ laps on the hard side of Plumbers Crack, 2+ laps on the easy side, 10+ laps on the easy dihedral OW behind plumbers crack, and many other forgotten chimneys and short sections of OW.)

As is the OR Ferrosi Pants are a nice light weight summer pant where I expect minimal bushwhacking. Really very light. Not what I would want to take up a chimney, though I have done MysterZ in them twice now, they have not handled it as well as I would expect the stretch zions to. I have the feeling that they may handle cold breeze when your sweaty ever so slightly better than the stretch zions... But either way, if your expecting that you should just use some other mildly softshell pants.

Destroyed one pair of American Eagle stretch denim jeans on OW so far. Have a second to destroy still. I should probably keep the destroyed pair and cut them up to add reinforcement to the intact pair. Should not have gotten the legs quite so tight, makes it hard to get knee pads underneath. They look good though. Waist stretches out with sweat as expected.

I'm curious how the Patagonia hemp blend stretch pants would holdup for OW.

Duluth fire hose pants! Super durable, more stretchy and warmer. Ever since getting those I never wear my prana pants. 

On my second pair of stretch Zions and I agree with original poster.   They tend to wear quickly.   In fact, most performance climbing attire wears quickly, especially if you abuse it, chimneying, bushwhacking, and typical adventure climbing.  I recommend Target - soccer pants.  They give more range of movement and seem to actually last longer- although they are not very stylish - but whatever.  

Redyns wrote: https://www.levi.com/US/en_US/apparel/clothing/bottoms/511-slim-fit-colored-mens-jeans/p/045113613

less than $30 shipped anda bright color for the instabang!

This is a definite for me too

climbing friend,

everyone is knowing you cannot climb greater than 10d without lifestyle pant costing at minimum of 80 dollar

just as you would not perform satisfactory yoga according to your instructor's fierce yet loving scrutiny without similar costing lifestyle pant

if you do not wish to wear them, it is acceptable. just be honest with yourself, and stop purchasing organic vegetable from whole foods

(good god how is this thread still going?)

OP is horrendously wrong. The fit is only baggy if you have weak legs. The size 35s that fit my waist are like yoga pants on my thighs. I cannot even imagine what the point of the new slim fit version is.

They don't cost $80, they cost $50, because we're smart people that buy things on sale. It helps that Prana changes colors every year so they go on clearance very predictably. Buy on eBay, or in the MP FS forum, and you can spend even less.

I tried a pair of the $20 Costco zion-alikes mentioned in the deals thread, and they just show why it's worth paying more for the Pranas.

I see a few people recommending the Wrangler cargo pants.  I prefer synthetic pants.  Has anyone tried the ​Wrangler Authentics Men’s Performance Side Elastic Utility Pant​​​?

Or similar?

​Wrangler Authentics Men's Comfort Flex Waist Nylon Pant​​​?

​Wrangler Authentics Men’s Performance Cargo Pant​​​?

Noah Yetter wrote: 
OP is horrendously wrong. The fit is only baggy if you have weak legs.

Strong legs are for mountain bikers. 

C Archibolt wrote: Strong legs are for mountain bikers. 

Yeah, and we kick you know. 

C Archibolt wrote: Strong legs are for mountain bikers. 

Yeah the slab climbers should be complaining that skinny pants are too tight on their calves. 

I still say Zions are awesome. I wear my newer pairs to work all the time, until they don't look good enough.
I tried the OR Ferrosi pants - lack of built in belt was the killer. Those are relegated to work pants only, no climbing or backpacking. ebay + patience gets you Zion pants for under $30
I would probably feel differently about them if I paid $50-80 a pair.

C Archibolt wrote: Strong legs are for mountain bikers. 

Mountain bikers don't wear size 35's. Yeeash what a fatty

I have to disagree. I got a pair last fall that I've been using non-stop indoors and out, and they are still in awesome shape. After several outdoor trips, being covered and mud and scrapped over rocks, they look almost new. I for one will be buying another pair soon.

As far as looks go I partially agree; they are baggy and not exactly Lookers. However that's kind of the point. I buy them to climb in, and for that I WANT them baggy.