Layering! layering? layering...... How do you layer for winter adventures?
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How do you layer your clothing for winter? What do you use and what are you using it for? Ice climbing, mountaineering, winter rock? Where are you using it too? |
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As I teach my Latin students: semper ubi sic ubi -- "always where under where." |
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Fritz Nuffer wrote: As I teach my Latin students: semper ubi sic ubi -- "always where under where." .... with apologies for the microagression, Latin being an obvious tool of the patriarchy to suppress dissent and establish heteronormative cisgender status quo (apologies for the microagression within a microagression).
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For cold belays in the Utah/Colorado I use a Merino base layer, R1 Fleece or sometimes a good flannel and the Montbell Frost Line Parka (Best jacket for the dollar price IMHO) |
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There are plenty of other posts for preferred clothing for base/mid/top layer so I have nothing to add there. |
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When it comes to layering, don't mix fabrics, base and mid layers should be the same material otherwise they can restrict breath-ability, the last thing you want is to trap in moisture. My layering brands are Ice Breakers and Smart Wool, I find marino wool to be warmer and dryer than any synthetic. |
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I live in So Cal. Layering for the cold means for me means being comfortable in the 60s. I wear a non-cotton T shirt, a non-cotton long sleeve pull over (maybe one designed for heat retention), and sometimes a light fleece vest. When not climbing, I might have a jacket on too. |
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Super breathable waffled fleece suit with a hood then softshell pants with a thin fleece lining and then a super then softshell jacket with a hood and wrist closures. |
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I have an absolute zero and I love it, but it is really a niche peice even here in Alaska. I wouldn't buy one unless you know you need it (basically high altitude mountaineering). I am keeping mine as i really like it for standing around in the cold when ice cragging or winter camping with mild approaches. However, even in -15 it is a luxury rather than a nessesary item. I get more flexibility with less weigh using a lighter belay jacket (nilas) with my breathable midlayer (nano air etc). |
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I mainly climb Mt Hood(11,240ft) in the winter. Starting around 1am-ish, so it's pretty cold. |
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How do I layer? |
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The Absolute Zero jacket is overkill for anything south of Alaska or northern Canada in the depths of winter, or the high elevations of Logan, Alaska Range. Even then, though... As mentioned above, it's a niche item with specificity in high-altitude mountaineering; 7000-8000M peaks. If technical climbing in winter is your objective, then you'd probably never see any modern alpinist humping all that weight even in the northern remote ranges. If you want a very warm down belay jacket, look at the Rab Positron Pro Jacket. |
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Fritz Nuffer wrote: As I teach my Latin students: semper ubi sic ubi -- "always where under where." That says "always where thus where"... Super Fluke wrote:Can you explain this more please? Are you saying that any different materials trap moisture, or specific combinations? |
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s kf wrote: For the love of god it better be a troll, because it’s one of the stupidest things I have ever read on the internet. |
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Fritz Nuffer wrote: I hope you realize the irony of being angry about people getting angry before people get angry at you.... |
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Recently read this article which has changed the way I'm going to approach climbing (ice in hyalite, alpine in pnw) this winter. Obviously not an average Joe set up for ice craggin but in terms of the layering discussion I find it very interesting. Also in Alaska so similar environment. TL;DR: Colin Hailey climbs Begguya (Mt. Hunter) solo really fast with almost nothing on: (Patagonia unless brand stated) Outer to inner Top: - 2 micro puffs - houdini jacket - nano air VEST - nano air jacket - capilene "thermal weight" fleece - airshead pullover - capilene balaclava Bottoms: - das pants - houdini pants - nano air light pants - capilene boxer briefs Footwear: - batura 2.0 (la sportiva) - lightwieght ski sock - rab vapor barrier sock - ultralight liner sock Gloves: - showa atlas tem res 282... I just bought these on Amazon and added a guantlet like Colin and am very excited to test these against other much more expensive glove options - black Diamond gloves probably like the enforcers |
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I just got a pair as well but haven't gotten around to add a gauntlet yet. Did you add it to the very end or did you cut a bit off? I feel like the very end might be a bit too wide to add the gauntlet there which might result in the material folding over. Could you please share what fabric you used and maybe a picture? |
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s kf wrote: Different fabrics have different absorption properties. Some technical fabrics and wool (+-0.4% water absorption) wick moisture away from your skin, keeping you warm and dry. Cotton (7% water absorption) dose not. NEVER WEAR COTTON for winter adventures. Try to layer with fabrics that are the same so you get the same wicking properties throughout. For example, If your base layer is marino wool and your mid layer is a cotton sweater, the cotton sweater will trap the moisture nullifying the properties of the wool keeping moisture trapped inside. |
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Super Fluke wrote: the correct way to phrase that is: "Don't wear cotton" the way you phrased it, i and everybody else took it to mean "don't wear a merino wool base layer, a polyester fleece, and a nylon shell" which is of course absurd. |
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Chris Blatchley wrote: Didn't realize it's so confusing. For base and mid layers only (inside your jacket), wear the same fabric. Your shell will most defiantly be different material(s). As far as best wicking fabrics wool is the best, technical fabrics (i.e polyester) are good and cotton is bad. Yes, even wearing polyester on top of wool is restricting, thus all inside layers should be the same fabric, not cotton or yer gonna die. |
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s kf wrote: Correct, typo. Should be semper ubi sub ubi |