Best Replacement Liner for Scarpa Phantom 6000

My current inner boots are pretty beat so I'm looking for a replacement.  The goal is to keep them as warm or warmer and to reduce or maintain current weight of the boot.  I heard of people having good results with the Denali liner from Intution and the Baruntse liner from Sportiva.  

Has anyone had luck with any of the other Sportiva liners?  G2 SMs? EZ Thermo Liner?

How about Intution?  Dreamliners look legit.

Really any discussion about replacement liners is welcome here!  Thanks!

A friend of mine replaced the 6000 liners with the Sportiva Baruntse liners and likes them.  I have some Baruntses, and I'm not impressed with the liners.  Intuition makes the Logan https://intuitionliners.com/shop/logan/ which I think would be a better option than the Denalis.  I use some old cut down Intuitions (basically the same as the Denali) in some double boots--they are light and warm, but the overlap construction is not good for ankle flexibility.  I think the Logans should be nicer with the tongue and laces.

The overlap is what I'm concerned about with the Denali, but having no seams or laces seems pretty great too.  I'll look into the Logans.  The G2 liner looks pretty legit too.  I wonder if anyone can comment on them compared to the Baruntse liner people seem to love in the P6000s

Sean Hoffecker wrote: The overlap is what I'm concerned about with the Denali, but having no seams or laces seems pretty great too.  I'll look into the Logans.  The G2 liner looks pretty legit too.  I wonder if anyone can comment on them compared to the Baruntse liner people seem to love in the P6000s

Having no laces means you're totally reliant on the outer boot to snug up the fit.  My liners are old and stiff, and so the outer lacing is marginal in getting a snug fit.  And the overlap cuff reduces both the flexibility and the adjustment around the ankle, and they're very bulky since you have two layers throughout--I already had my liners from boots I don't use anymore.  If I bought some, it'd probably be the Logans for those reasons.  And I still might....

Sportiva uses Palau liners. Borrowed a friends 6000s with them and liked them better than the stock scarpa liners.

Nick, are you sure ALL sportiva liners are Palau?  I've heard great things regarding Palua and the G2 liners look dope.  Plus I have a better deal on those than the Baruntse...

Did you read the G2 reviews on the LS website? Couple of complaints about the liners. I'd just get the Baruntse ones, tried and true. If you feel like experimenting let us know what you find.

I like the Baruntse liners. Eliminated heel lift for me compared to factory liners, super comfy after heat molding, quick on/off, pretty sure they're lighter too.

yeah I've read mixed things about the liners but I've heard great things about the boot as a whole.  

Do you run the Baruntse liner in your P6000s?  How would you describe the differences between the stock and the Baruntse liner?

Main difference for me was locking my heel down, but this was in the store when I bought them and I walked out with the Baruntse liners. I never climbed in the factory ones. 

I am thinking of getting the baruntse liners for my 6000s.  I am a 44 but my 6000s are 45 and the only baruntse liners available are 44.  Any thoughts?  Dane runs the same size liners as shell but some comments indicate that it is a tight fit and running one size down in the liners might be ok.  

My Baruntse liners are the same size as the boots and I didn't try the smaller liner so I can't comment, sorry. I have the current model P6000. If Dane says to get the same size I guess I'd take his word for it, seems I recall him trying several boot/liner combos. Have you called Sportiva NA to see when they're expecting to restock? They're in Boulder so maybe if you charm them they'll cannibalize a pair of Baruntses for you :-) 

Thanks...I dropped LS a line but I will call them direct and see if I can sweet talk them.

I am a little split...Dane started with 44 liners in 45s, then found he could go with 44 liners in 44s without toe bang and get a very tight fit.  It is a pretty fine line that you won't know until you are out kicking ice with your own feet.  I have some heal lift in the stock 45 liners and the Baruntse liners are supposed to plump up a bit and I am hoping will fill the volume if I go with 44s in the 45s.

Sean Hoffecker wrote: Nick, are you sure ALL sportiva liners are Palau?  I've heard great things regarding Palua and the G2 liners look dope.  Plus I have a better deal on those than the Baruntse...

Nope, I know nothing about the g2 so it could definitely be another supplier. Pretty sure that Jim just had a generic Palau mountain boot liner and not the actual baruntse, unfortunately he’s no longer with us to confirm :(

Xam wrote: Thanks...I dropped LS a line but I will call them direct and see if I can sweet talk them.

I am a little split...Dane started with 44 liners in 45s, then found he could go with 44 liners in 44s without toe bang and get a very tight fit.  It is a pretty fine line that you won't know until you are out kicking ice with your own feet.  I have some heal lift in the stock 45 liners and the Baruntse liners are supposed to plump up a bit and I am hoping will fill the volume if I go with 44s in the 45s.

Kinda sounds like he got the wrong size boot in the first place, but you're right all feet are different. Let us know your findings. 

A few "mountaineering noob" questions to jump on this relevant thread.  I'm training for Tahoma 06/'19.  I've been breaking in 2017 P6000's.  I'm wearing 44's w/ stock liners (heavy but not exped socks).  I have horrible heel lift in them but the rest of the boot fit my feet/toes perfectly.  I also develop shin bang/bruising on the anterior/outer part of shins (I think a result of over velcro-ing the liner to try to help w/ the heel) after only ~6 hours.  New liners will be my best bet to help address these, yes?  I'll likely try the LS Baruntese's as recommended here in the same size (44).  Good place to start? (I'd heard good things about intuition denalis but this tread is very specific to my boot).

Thanks -Arthur

Start with putting in a better footbed, something like the SuperFeat. That should help with the heal lift.

Arthur W wrote: A few "mountaineering noob" questions to jump on this relevant thread.  I'm training for Tahoma 06/'19.  I've been breaking in 2017 P6000's.  I'm wearing 44's w/ stock liners (heavy but not exped socks).  I have horrible heel lift in them but the rest of the boot fit my feet/toes perfectly.  I also develop shin bang/bruising on the anterior/outer part of shins (I think a result of over velcro-ing the liner to try to help w/ the heel) after only ~6 hours.  New liners will be my best bet to help address these, yes?  I'll likely try the LS Baruntese's as recommended here in the same size (44).  Good place to start? (I'd heard good things about intuition denalis but this tread is very specific to my boot).

Thanks -Arthur

You can try the replacement insoles first if you want, relatively inexpensive. They've never done anything major for me in any boot. The Baruntse liners are worth trying.

Arthur those a ridiculous overkill for tahoma and will be incredibly hot below 10k. I’ve had frostnip in my toes and have permenant poor circulation in my feet. For me the phantom 6k was too hot if it got above 0f on ice in the Canadian Rockies.

Are you going with a guided group and expecting long periods of standing around in the night? Even in that case I think montblancs would be more than warm enough. 

Does anyone know where replacement Baruntse liners are available in a size 44 or 45? They seem to be out of stock on the La Sportiva website. Alternatively, does anyone have experience with either the intuition denali liner or logan liner in Phantom 6000s?

Sorry for rezzing an old thread-

Since this thread I've been using the Baruntse inserts; they instantly solved the shin bang issue, did a good job with heel lift and as I've broken them in they're "perfect" for me.  Not too happy about the extra cost on top of the boots but it is what it is.

Nick - yes I'm aware and have been told the same thing.  I run overall quite cold and end up being "in between" regarding warmth (coats, gloves, boots).  I live in the east so my "training ground" is in NH where Baruntse's were just too cold (didn't try Montblancs).  I've been tweaking my sock system and I'm at the best result wise I've ever had.  I'm not (yet?) enough of a climber to warrant two mtneering boots.

Charles-  Sorry I'm useless for you; I got mine off LS' website without issue ("43-44").

Thanks everyone for the advice.

Arthur if you're going with them I'd consider running a vapor barrier sock set up over an ultra thin liner sock. That way if your feet do get too hot low on the route you won't saturate your real wool socks and there is no drying time, liner socks dry out in about ten minutes in my sleeping bag. I can't remember now, I *think* those baruntse liners are closed cell, so they won't saturate. Either way the vapor barrier liner is going to mean no drying for them.

Everyone will envy you when it comes time to get out of the tent in the morning and your liners are piping hot out of the sleeping bag.