Mammut Smart Alpine 2.0

I've used the Smart Alpine and I've used the Smart 2.0. I'm a fan of that small extra help in the 2.0 just in case, as well as the two slots and the guide mode of the alpine.

I'm really waiting on the Smart Alpine 2.0 to come out to make the switch. Surely I'm not the only one?

I have not used the 2.0, is it that much of an improvement?

According to our Mammut reps, they're working on it, but it may be two years.

The 2.0 is much smoother to belay with, doesn't lock up all the time when you don't want it to, and just handles better. Definitely a large improvement. 

Old post,

But I see that Mammut has both a small and large version of the alpine smart.

My question is for anyone that may have experience with either of the following scenarios, and what they may recommend. Please be advised that this device will be used with Mammut’s HMS carabiner in all scenarios where there is rope & carabiner contact.

Scenario #1
Has anyone used the ‘large’ Smart Alpine with thin ropes (thinner than the advised 8.7mm diameter [most likely used in a twin/half scenario])? And if so, did you experience any issues with the ropes “folding over one another” in the device, and if this happened what diameter rope were you using? Was using thinner (than advisable) ropes in the rappels an issue?

Scenario #2
Has anyone used the ‘small’ Smart Alpine with larger single (or twin/half) ropes (larger than the advised 9.5mm diameter)? And if so, did you experience any issues with the rope binding up within the device, and if this happened what diameter rope were you using? Was using larger than advisable ropes in the rappels an issue?

I am trying to see which size would be the most appropriate for my intended uses, and which would be the most municipal for me. 
Has anyone used the large Smart Alpine with thin ropes (thinner than the advised 8.7mm diameter; most likely used in a twin/half scenario)? And if so, did you experience any issues with the ropes “folding over one another” in the device, and if this happened what diameter rope were you using? Was using thinner than advisable ropes in the rappers an issue?
Thank you.

Goofy JungleMan wrote: Old post,

But I see that Mammut has both a small and large version of the alpine smart.

My question is for anyone that may have experience with either of the following scenarios, and what they may recommend. Please be advised that this device will be used with Mammut’s HMS carabiner in all scenarios where there is rope & carabiner contact.

Scenario #1
Has anyone used the ‘large’ Smart Alpine with thin ropes (thinner than the advised 8.7mm diameter [most likely used in a twin/half scenario])? And if so, did you experience any issues with the ropes “folding over one another” in the device, and if this happened what diameter rope were you using? Was using thinner (than advisable) ropes in the rappels an issue?

Scenario #2
Has anyone used the ‘small’ Smart Alpine with larger single (or twin/half) ropes (larger than the advised 9.5mm diameter)? And if so, did you experience any issues with the rope binding up within the device, and if this happened what diameter rope were you using? Was using larger than advisable ropes in the rappels an issue?

I am trying to see which size would be the most appropriate for my intended uses, and which would be the most municipal for me. 
Has anyone used the large Smart Alpine with thin ropes (thinner than the advised 8.7mm diameter; most likely used in a twin/half scenario)? And if so, did you experience any issues with the ropes “folding over one another” in the device, and if this happened what diameter rope were you using? Was using thinner than advisable ropes in the rappers an issue?
Thank you.

I have not used the standard with small ropes, but I know that thicker ropes will rub on the smaller device and will be way harder to feed.  I expect that using thinner ropes with the larger device will potential problems, the first is that it may not bite enough to lock up because of the larger turning radius around the device.  The other problem is that you may weld the device because the two ropes get stuck side by side in the slot when they lock up.

Tyler Newcomb wrote: According to our Mammut reps, they're working on it, but it may be two years.

Anyone heard anything more about this?

Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but this one comes up first on search engines   

Has there been news on a Smart Alpine 2.0? I'd be interested in potentially getting one to replace my GriGri+ATC for sport climbing and rappelling.

Tyler Newcomb wrote: According to our Mammut reps, they're working on it, but it may be two years.

The smaller smart is available from lots of resellers on ebay.

The large and the small is still available from mammut Australia, but they won't ship outside of aus or nz. 

But if you know someone down there.

Straight up asked Mammut for their comment. Michael from Mammut Sports Group AG responded:

I just got back from our team.
They advised that the Smart Alpine 2.0 is not continued.
We had to cancel it to make space for new items.

I don't blame them, developing new hardware is expensive, and I guess there just wasn't enough ROI to justify. 

Maybe I will just zip-tie two Smart's together.

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(Don't actually do this.)

Id buy one. It will be a sad day when I retire or loose my smart alpine.