Dock haul bag with munter mule overhand (MMO)?
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Traditionally, I've learned to dock my haul bag by tying a munter with the two strands of docking cord coming out of the bag, followed up by wrapping the strands around across and over each other a 5-7 times, and tying this off with a square knot...as demoed by Mark Hudon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWCZ6ahP60E&t=277s |
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I tend to use a single piece of cord (old piece of half rope) to dock my bags, and use the MMO, though the Mule under load has a tendency to put a twist in the rope and can sometimes be a big pain to pop. The method mark shows, or the Mariner's hitch, for instance, doesn't have that potential. I have only found it to be an issue with a REALLY heavy load, and have had to work hard to pop the mule. |
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Can I dovetail and ask why people suggest backing up the docking cord with another attachment? |
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i do the single strand with MMO and havent had any issues, but ive also never carried a bag with enough gear for 4 nights. in the end, its backed up with the haul line to the anchor. so its not like youd lose the bag or anything. |
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Everett wrote: Can I dovetail and ask why people suggest backing up the docking cord with another attachment? Generalized fear of a MMO is the only reason why I can think of. No one has ever given a good reason besides "why wouldn't you back it up bro? I don't back it up when I make it but generally add a backup while I'm belaying my leader because i'm bored and "why not bro?" |
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I started using it when I saw a photo of what I thought it was on one of Pete’s systems. My technique ended up being simpler and as safe as his. |
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Mark Hudon wrote: with each having a docking cord, one backs up the other. Hell yeah. I was wondering if we were being too casual by not backing it up, but that just points out that we don't have to care. |
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For what's it's worth. I put a mmo on one strand and a clove on the other as a back up, not because of concerns over strength, but over my own stupidity. |
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back it up, there is nothing else to it. |
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I have always used a single MMO to dock my bags but I always back it up with a clove hitch on the haul line to the anchor. I'm not really worried that the MMO will come untied but I feel the clove hitch makes sure that the bag is attached at 2 points (redundant) and its easy to tie and untie since the bags weight is resting on the MMO. It might be overkill but I don't want there to be any way I could drop a haul bag. |
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Will Irwin wrote:...dock my haul bag by tying a munter with the two strands of docking cord coming out of the bag, followed up by wrapping the strands around across and over each other a 5-7 times, and tying this off with a square knot... aka Chongo knot |
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Just for historical context, the drawing I saw (thought I saw) is different than what Stephen (above) calls a Chongo knot, I could easily be wrong. |