Men's Puffy Reccomendations

I have a cerium lt right now, but it fits kind of fitted, and It's not really all that warm. Looking for something heavier duty to go under my alpha sv.

My layering system currently;

arc teryx covert fleece

arc teryx cerium Lt puffy

arc teryx alpha sv shell

Uses; Cold, wet, windy east coast Canadian weather. Walking to work in the early am. Ice climbing in the future.

find a gently used Patagonia Das Parka on ebay or last season one online.  I beleive it has been discountied for the hyperpuff which doesn't have the same durability IMO.

DAS seems pretty tough to layer with. Thorium SV may work (on sale on amazon in certain colors currently)

Honestly, down shouldn't be used as a mid layer insulation under a shell.  If you're just using it to walk to work, or around town, that's one thing, but it's a bad idea in the mountains.  Your body heat/perspiration can and will saturate the fragile down clusters and over time, this will lead to the down collapsing, rendering the insulation value to zero.  This will occur during a long day even with hydrophobic treatments.  Down garments should be worn as your outer-most layer and should primarily be used during static activity = belays, camps, resting while hiking or skiing.  Walking around town or to work is fine as you're not potentially exposing the down to substantial perspiration.  

The Rab Continuum Jacket is an amazing down hoody with 148 grams of 850 fill, hydrophobic goose down.  It's a fantastic jacket & I use mine all winter long here in central New York state.

I’d like to try this one for ice climbing

https://www.ebay.com/i/262966304507

You're going to want a big belay parka to go ice climbing in the Northeast. Traditionally it would be worn over your shell, not under. The Dually would be good if you like Arc'teryx. 

Would the RAB Neutrino Endurance fit under the alpha sv? 

Which would be warmer, the Thorium SV or Cerium SV? Those would fit under the alpha I think!

Will B wrote:

Would the RAB Neutrino Endurance fit under the alpha sv? 

It depends on your size and the size of your Alpha SV, but probably not.  In general, big puffy jackets like that are intended to be worn on top of everything.  You usually don't put a lot of insulation under a hard shell, a fleece midlayer and at most a thin synthetic (or down) like the Atom LT, Nano/Nano Air, etc.

If it's cold enough that you need to be wearing a Neutrino Endurance, precipitation won't be liquid, so you probably don't need the hardshell at all.

Kyle Tarry wrote:

It depends on your size and the size of your Alpha SV, but probably not.  In general, big puffy jackets like that are intended to be worn on top of everything.  You usually don't put a lot of insulation under a hard shell, a fleece midlayer and at most a thin synthetic (or down) like the Atom LT, Nano/Nano Air, etc.

If it's cold enough that you need to be wearing a Neutrino Endurance, precipitation won't be liquid, so you probably don't need the hardshell at all.

Gotcha. Good point.

Thanks

I've used the previous version of the EMS Feather Pack extensively in the NE. It's very versatile and the quality is quite good. I got it for ~$87 on a black friday. 

http://www.ems.com/ems-men’s-feather-pack-hooded-jacket/2031194.html#start=2

The Rab Valiance Jacket appears to check all of your boxes.  It's waterproof with taped seams, welded box-baffled and stuffed with 170 grams of 800-fill, hydrophobic goose down.  No more need for a shell, which saves a little weight on your stroll to work.  For a do-it-all down jacket, 170 grams of 800-fill for the northeast is perfect.  170 grams of goose down, in my opinion, isn't "belay jacket" weight for our winters, but it doesn't sound like that's what you're looking for at this point.  Wait a couple weeks & I'm sure you can bag a sick Black Friday deal.