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I made a tool to help you compare cams

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Andy Lei · · New York, NY · Joined Feb 2015 · Points: 20

http://cam-parison.com/

Was useful me; maybe it'll be useful for you too.

If there are some cams that are missing, let me know and I can add them.

eli poss · · Durango, CO · Joined May 2014 · Points: 525

Kinda outdated. Doesn't have the new black and orange sizes for totem cams,  the new WC double axle friends,  the new mastercams, or the rebranded Fixe aliens

brian n · · Manchester, WA · Joined Sep 2016 · Points: 87

Great work, thanks.  I'll refer to it next time I'm buying.

Andy Lei · · New York, NY · Joined Feb 2015 · Points: 20

thanks eli! added the totems, new WC friends, UL mastercams, and fixe revo aliens

David K · · The Road, Sometimes Chattan… · Joined Jan 2017 · Points: 424

Hey Andy, this looks great. Minor correction: it looks like the capitalization of "totem" for the 1.8 totem cam is causing it to not get grouped with the other totem cams.

Seth Monteleone · · Charlotte, NC · Joined Dec 2016 · Points: 51

I have been looking for something like this!  Is there anyway you could add Rock Empire sizes? please?  I know they are not very popular but I have a set.

Chris Reyes · · Seattle, WA · Joined Nov 2014 · Points: 40

For Metolius are you using the Min/Max range or the Usable range?

https://www.metoliusclimbing.com/cam-range.html

Edit: Yea it looks like you approximate the usable range, but for the Metolius cams (at least for the MCs) you're using the listed usable range as their max range and then calculating 60% of their usable range - giving them an artificially tiny range. Bummer.

Feature Request: Shareable Links and a text/table representation ;) I'm more than happy to lend a hand.

Brian · · North Kingstown, RI · Joined Sep 2001 · Points: 799

Great work.  Black Diamond X4s would be helpful at least the two small ones.

Andrew Williams · · Concord, NH · Joined Mar 2014 · Points: 625

Maybe add in the big  WC tech friends

Gunkiemike · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2009 · Points: 3,687
Seth Monteleone wrote:

I have been looking for something like this!  Is there anyway you could add Rock Empire sizes? please?  I know they are not very popular but I have a set.

Maybe somewhere in here?

https://www.google.com/search?q=cam+comparison+chart&tbm=isch&source=iu&pf=m&ictx=1&fir=h8bv1t0IYsPW2M%253A%252CJ_mTMMuhpZLb-M%252C_&usg=__URPpR3JpPCKp7FI2sRC7DCpCowI%3D&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiZ2JLijubWAhVB6CYKHS9xCdcQ9QEIMzAC#imgrc=_

Seth Monteleone · · Charlotte, NC · Joined Dec 2016 · Points: 51
Brian wrote:

Great work.  Black Diamond X4s would be helpful at least the two small ones.

Scroll to the bottom

Mark Berenblum · · Gardiner, NY · Joined Sep 2015 · Points: 105

This is amazing! Wish I had this when I was building my rack... thank you for putting it together. As others mentioned, it'd be great to have model-specific usable range assumptions, since this does vary quite a bit, but this still gives a very good basis for comparison. Another thing that might be useful would be some sort of range:weight ratio for each cam in the little pop-up dialogue. I'd also be curious to see how the older camalots compare (especially for discontinued sizes like the 4.5), but that's probably pretty low on the priority list.

Serge S · · Seattle, WA · Joined Oct 2015 · Points: 688

Good design, but I question the "usable" range for small cams.  E.g. I find there to be a big gap in practice between the usable ranges of 0.2 and 0.3 X4.

rocknice2 · · Montreal, QC · Joined Nov 2006 · Points: 3,847
Chris Reyes wrote:

For Metolius are you using the Min/Max range or the Usable range?

https://www.metoliusclimbing.com/cam-range.html

Edit: Yea it looks like you approximate the usable range, but for the Metolius cams (at least for the MCs) you're using the listed usable range as their max range and then calculating 60% of their usable range - giving them an artificially tiny range. Bummer.

Yup totally agree.

What I would change is the % usable range. Below fingers 60%, fingers to off-finger up to 67% and hands up 75%

To the other poster, yes the is a tight usable gap between the X4 .2 & .3. The C3 red & yellow compliment that gap nicely.

David K · · The Road, Sometimes Chattan… · Joined Jan 2017 · Points: 424
Serge Smirnov wrote:

Good design, but I question the "usable" range for small cams.  E.g. I find there to be a big gap in practice between the usable ranges of 0.2 and 0.3 X4.

Agreed, but this is really on the manufacturers. AFAIK Metolius is the only company that gets this right and publicizes the usable range. Other companies publicize the maximum expansion range. That looks good for the manufacturer, but that's a completely useless number if you want your cam to actually catch you.

Serge S · · Seattle, WA · Joined Oct 2015 · Points: 688
rocknice2 wrote:

To the other poster, yes the is a tight usable gap between the X4 .2 & .3. The C3 red & yellow compliment that gap nicely.

I'm assuming you meant "green & red"..

Carson Darling · · Salt Lake City, UT · Joined Jul 2015 · Points: 90

Nice tool! It looks like the BD C3 small sizes are getting truncated (there are 3 cams listed as "Black Diamond Camalot C3 0").

Joe Cappiello · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Dec 2007 · Points: 0

this is awesome!  Thanks for sharing, Andy!  

Noah Yetter · · Lakewood, CO · Joined Jul 2015 · Points: 105

I'd love to see indicators at 50% closed and 90% closed when "Expansion" is set to "Max". It would also be cool to be able to choose linear or log scale...

Thanks for making this. It's the best such tool I've seen so far.

lukeweiss · · St. Johnsbury, VT · Joined Mar 2014 · Points: 30

Excellent! Thanks!

caesar.salad · · earth · Joined Dec 2012 · Points: 75

Nice work. Finally a chart that compares ALL cams.

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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