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Enough bullshit lightweight down jackets

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ben jammin · · Moab, UT · Joined Jul 2008 · Points: 862

Why does every down jacket I look for have to be this ultra light-weight bullshit?  I want a down jacket that has some serious abrasion resistance..  Every once in a while I see a boulder bro with the right stuff but I can't find any.  I'm tired of ripping my downy passing through boulders at joe's.  I don't give a f about weight.

Any suggestions for jackets without this ultralight weight shell bullshit?

Nol H · · Vermont · Joined Dec 2014 · Points: 2,153

Forever Outside · · Los Angeles, CA · Joined Feb 2017 · Points: 275

DAS PARKA

ben jammin · · Moab, UT · Joined Jul 2008 · Points: 862
Forever Outside wrote:

DAS PARKA

Yea.. I want DOWN!  I got no body fat so I need something that's at least 800 fill

Chris C · · Seattle, WA · Joined Mar 2016 · Points: 407

Kirtis Courkamp · · Golden · Joined Mar 2011 · Points: 378

If you're not worried about weight then don't get a down jacket. 

or get this 

http://featheredfriends.com/volant-down-jacket.html

caesar.salad · · earth · Joined Dec 2012 · Points: 75

My mountain hardware SubZero jacket is super warm and super tough. It has survived many years of bouldering abuse.

Mike Womack · · Orcutt, CA · Joined Mar 2014 · Points: 2,015

Layer up!  do a thick zip up jacket that you can get from anywhere for cheap.  Layer it with an old shell.  Yeah, it's not down, but it's warmer I think and could potentially cost no money if you have old jackets lying around.  Currently, I use an old bouncing souls sweater and then an old marmot shell that's lost all it's water resistance (cause it's very old). 

Nick Votto · · CO, CT, IT · Joined Jul 2008 · Points: 320
Ryan Hamilton · · Orem · Joined Aug 2011 · Points: 5

Yeah, I'll echo the statement above. If you're not concerned about weight just get a jacket with synthetic insulation. Usually cheaper and more durable outer material. 

ROCKMAN2 · · Nederland, CO · Joined Jul 2010 · Points: 300

The current La Sportiva Cham 2.0 down jacket is warm and burly. Nothing light weight about it and it has an amazing hood with a fleece lined collar that is super warm and comfortable. 

caesar.salad · · earth · Joined Dec 2012 · Points: 75
Rudy Peckham wrote:

I agree with Caesar.Salad Mountain Hardwear is the way to go but i don't think the SubZero is available anymore you can always try this bad boy but it's $800

Men's Absolute Zero Parka

I'd say this one, which is $400, is the closest to my subzero. http://www.mountainhardwear.com/mens-glacier-guide-down-parka-1616581.html?cgid=mens-jackets-insulated&dwvar_1616581_variationColor=073#start=0

It's specifically advertised as having a durable exterior, which is the same as mine.

Forthright · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Oct 2011 · Points: 110
ben jammin wrote:

Why does every down jacket I look for have to be this ultra light-weight bullshit?  I want a down jacket that has some serious abrasion resistance..  Every once in a while I see a boulder bro with the right stuff but I can't find any.  I'm tired of ripping my downy passing through boulders at joe's.  I don't give a f about weight.

Any suggestions for jackets without this ultralight weight shell bullshit?

The North Face L5 Down jacket from the first year they relaunched Summit Series (when everything was grey). Maybe second year as well. Burlier face fabric than most down jackets out there. Packability on that bad boy sucked but was way more burly than most belay parkas

Why every jacket is like that?
Because athletes ask for it, and hauling around a heavy down jacket sucks.

djh860 · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Dec 2014 · Points: 110

Pertex?

Ronald B · · Los Angeles, CA · Joined Oct 2016 · Points: 0

Yeah, I really like my old version of the Montbell Frost Smoke because it has more durable fabric at the high wear areas (shoulders, elbows/forearms). The new version that is being sold now did away with that unfortunately.

ben jammin · · Moab, UT · Joined Jul 2008 · Points: 862

Anyone have the MHW Nilas or Phantom jacket?  How's the shell on those?

Chris C · · Seattle, WA · Joined Mar 2016 · Points: 407
ben jammin wrote:

Anyone have the MHW Nilas or Phantom jacket?  How's the shell on those?

The Nilas is somewhat hefty, but not what I would consider “robust”. The Phantom is very thin. 

ben jammin · · Moab, UT · Joined Jul 2008 · Points: 862
Nick Votto wrote:

RAB has plenty of burlier jackets

https://rab.equipment/us/mens/insulation/insulation-type/down/show/all

Word... 'preciate it.  Valiance Jacket looks good if this Pertex is burl dog

Anyone got a Pertex shield jacket and attest to durability?  Also, I know it says regular fit but so does my Patagucci down sweater and my small is pretty slim.  Slim or no?

stolo · · Lake Norman, NC · Joined Sep 2016 · Points: 214

Get a softshell and put a warm layer underneath

Buff Johnson · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Dec 2005 · Points: 1,145
ben jammin wrote:

Why does every down jacket I look for have to be this ultra light-weight bullshit?  I want a down jacket that has some serious abrasion resistance..  Every once in a while I see a boulder bro with the right stuff but I can't find any.  I'm tired of ripping my downy passing through boulders at joe's.  I don't give a f about weight.

Any suggestions for jackets without this ultralight weight shell bullshit?

Cabellas, not for lightweight pussies and bullshit

Merlin · · Grand Junction · Joined Mar 2006 · Points: 10
ben jammin wrote:

Yea.. I want DOWN!  I got no body fat so I need something that's at least 800 fill

I've worn my Das Parka out of need once, in minus 10-20 degrees F.  It was enough. Go down if you feel the need but the Das works wonders.

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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