R.I.P. Onyxx, HF and MI6

Five Ten in no longer making Onyxx, HF and MI6. They only have C4 and Dot. 

Who was this from, a resoler? On five ten's site I still see the teams and dragons with HF, VXi’s with mi6, looks like the arrowheads with onyxx are on closeout. 

Yes, source please? XX is my preferred choice for stiff shoes like TC Pros. If this is true, I assume it is papa Adidas looking to increase the profit margin they are getting out of Five Ten. Similar to killing most of the better approach shoes Five Ten used to offer soon after they were bought. 

I am a resoler and this came straight from Five Ten. I was at the warehouse picking up rubber and talked directly to them.

Doug G wrote:

I am a resoler and this came straight from Five Ten. I was at the warehouse picking up rubber and talked directly to them.

Well shit. I have been using onyxx over edge for my granite shoes. 

No longer making or no longer selling to resolers?

I'd be a little more surprised of the former, but not so much of the latter.

I used to be an Onyxx fan for resole back when Sportiva didn't import Grip2 (too much difference between C4 & Vibram Edge). Now, not so much.

All of their new shoes will have C4. All their shoes using Onyxx, HF and MI6 are either being discontinued or remade with C4.

the recently announced Anasazi Pro will have an MI6 patch on the toe... that's not full thickness like an outsole but it does imply they're still making it

Weird. I find this hard to believe. This would radically change the vast majority of their shoes. HF is the best rubber I've ever used.

That would be weird. HF & Mi6 are always more specialty/gimmicky, but Onyxx served an important purpose. Or have they decided to just throw in the towel after Kevin Jorgeson ditched their shoes for TC Pro on the Dawn Wall? Even Evolv has an edging rubber (Trax XE) for their mid-top.

For spring 2018 their are only 3 climbing shoe models that don't have C4 and the Anasazi VCS was redesigned to only have C4.

Doug G wrote:

For spring 2018 their are only 3 climbing shoe models that don't have C4 and the Anasazi VCS was redesigned to only have C4.

What do those other models have that don't have C4? Any details on replacement super sticky rubber in place of HF and Mi6?

I'm guessing they will keep the dragons and teams the way they currently are. No need for them to go messing with some of their best sellers by switching rubber compounds.

Regardless, it is a little concerning with all of the clearance shoes on their website, looks like they are discontinuing quite a few models.

Is this a bad thing I remember when Anasazi switched to Onyxx and the new rubber caused my feet to hurt really bad glad they went back to C4 because it feels much better and smears better too.

I found this out recently too when I tried to resole with Onyxx. 5.10 has a history of discontinuing stuff only to bring it back a few years later, maybe in a few years we will see onyxx back on some shoes. I like Onyxx a lot for the durability and stiffness.

I've heard rumors that 5.10/Adidas are phasing out climbing shoes completely and moving toward mountain bike shoes.

5.10 shoes @ 10:40 

using mi6 as a toe patches apparently. and c4 on soles

https://www.climbing.com/videos/2018-climbing-shoe-roundup-40-new-models/

D B wrote:

I've heard rumors that 5.10/Adidas are phasing out climbing shoes completely and moving toward mountain bike shoes.

This would be so tragic. I just developed a love for the various Anasazi models and planned to stick with them for years to come. Especially the Onyxx rubber 

D B wrote:

I've heard rumors that 5.10/Adidas are phasing out climbing shoes completely and moving toward mountain bike shoes.

That doesn't make sense. 5.10 is already one of the most established and highly respected brands for shoes, which HAS to be one of the biggest money makers for gear manufacturers. Look at how many new companies are entering the shoe market (BD, Wild Country, Butora, So Ill)  I think I probably have spent as much money on shoes as the rest of my climbing gear combined.

^^

Same, nothing compares to Stealth rubber.

I have a guidebook with 5.10's "Core, not Corporate" ad on the back...sad!

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I used to buy 5.10 at Wilderness Exchange in Denver, and last time I went they were all gone. Asked a sales rep and he said they were moving toward direct only sales and possibly phasing them out completely. I've heard the same thing from other climbers as well.

Mountain bike shoe sales blow climbing shoe sales out of the water for Five Ten.  Its sad if they do faze out the climbing shoe line but understandable.