Dave MacLeod books

Anyone know of availability of MacLeod's training book in the USA? Particularly 9 of 10 Climbers.

MClay wrote:Anyone know of availability of MacLeod's training book in the USA? Particularly 9 of 10 Climbers.

I think it's pretty easy to come by. Here it is on Amazon.

I bought 9 out of 10 Climbers from his website and Make or Break through Amazon. Both are fantastic books. If you weren't aware already, 9 out of 10 is much more of a philosophical guide, giving an overview of all of the different aspects of training for rock climbing while providing pretty juicy insights into how to adopt the right attitude towards the sport and training (how to deal with failure, ego, self-delusion, fear, etc.). Enjoy the book, it really changed the game for me!

Well...there it is. All I can think is it wasn't available on my country's amazon page? Was hoping to have it shipped to family in the states.

But after reading the reviews, not sure if it is worth $25 for 170 pages.

MClay wrote:But after reading the reviews, not sure if it is worth $25 for 170 pages.

What a bizarre way to value a book.

Eric G. wrote: What a bizarre way to value a book.

Haha, I sorta get your point, but publishers don't really see it as that bizarre. Ebooks are universally cheaper than print (more ink, more paper, more cost?); hardcover more expensive than paperback; large books generally cost more than small books. Come to think of it...I can't remember paying $25 for a paperback that wasn't a textbook. And I buy a lot of books.

As I said, after reading the reviews (lots of typos, disorganized, stream of consciousness style for 170 pages) $25 seems a bit much. Especially when Rock Warrior's Way, which several reviewers compared positively against 9 of 10, is available on kindle for $10. RCTM was marginally more than 9 of 10 and seems like a much more complete, professional product.

I will still probably buy the book at some point, especially if someone that has read it and Rock Warrior's Way can demonstrate that each book makes a significant, unique contribution to improving one's climbing.

MClay wrote: As I said, after reading the reviews (lots of typos, disorganized, stream of consciousness style for 170 pages) $25 seems a bit much. Especially when Rock Warrior's Way, which several reviewers compared positively against 9 of 10, is available on kindle for $10. RCTM was marginally more than 9 of 10 and seems like a much more complete, professional product.

You cant compare the price of one physical book vs a totally different ebook. Whats the cost of 9 out of 10 as an ebook? If you're happy with an ebook then compare those prices. $25 isnt bad for an instructional book (textbook of sorts)

MClay wrote: Haha, I sorta get your point, but publishers don't really see it as that bizarre. Ebooks are universally cheaper than print (more ink, more paper, more cost?); hardcover more expensive than paperback; large books generally cost more than small books. Come to think of it...I can't remember paying $25 for a paperback that wasn't a textbook. And I buy a lot of books. As I said, after reading the reviews (lots of typos, disorganized, stream of consciousness style for 170 pages) $25 seems a bit much. Especially when Rock Warrior's Way, which several reviewers compared positively against 9 of 10, is available on kindle for $10. RCTM was marginally more than 9 of 10 and seems like a much more complete, professional product. I will still probably buy the book at some point, especially if someone that has read it and Rock Warrior's Way can demonstrate that each book makes a significant, unique contribution to improving one's climbing.

I've got both rock warriors way and 9 out of 10, and I enjoyed both books, yes they cover some of the same things, but personally I found 9 out of 10 to be a more enjoyable read and well worth the cost.

9 out of 10, Rock Warrior's Way, and RCTM are all great books but in my opinion all very different books that focus on different topics with different styles (both writing style and production style). If you're looking for a regimented training manual with lots of color photos to get you psyched and detailed training programs, RCTM is hard to beat. This is very different from 9 out of 10 and RWW, which are more similar to each other in their greater focus on the mental game, especially from a Zen perspective, and less emphasis on glossy photos or text book style organization of the lesson plans. I'm generalizing here. It is true that 9 out of 10 is especially stream of consciousness compared to the other two books. I enjoyed both 9 out of 10 and RWW and took away different lessons from each book.

climbing friend,

you are getting the 9 out of 10, it is better than the other bookz yezzzzzzzzzzzz yesss yesssssss yesss my preciousssssss

Thanks for the insight from those that have read both. Maybe I'll wait until they release 9 out of 10 as an ebook, ha!

Anyone want to sell a used copy?

Since Aleks seems to approve I'll hazard the guess that one of the mistakes involves fish heads.

MClay wrote:Thanks for the insight from those that have read both. Maybe I'll wait until they release 9 out of 10 as an ebook, ha! Anyone want to sell a used copy?

Used for 16.50 on Amazon.

Anyone want to sell me a used copy of Make or Break?

Thanks!

p.s. you can get a pdf of 9 out of 10 off of scribd.

happy climbing folks!