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Anyone know what happened at j tree sunday evening? We saw th flight for life landed right nexr to double cross.

If its the one I saw from the Hidden Valley Day lot:

A guy took about a 12 foot ground fall leading Left Ski. He walked out limping with some friends, might have been a broken ankle.

Hard to believe they would helicopter someone out for an ankle injury (when it is right next to a road), but I suppose it's possible.

Caro left us wrote: A guy took about a 12 foot ground fall leading Left Ski. He walked out limping with some friends, might have been a broken ankle.

Was he wearing a helmet?

Fall over 10 feet?

If the answer is NO and YES to these, its NPS protocol to sieze you and take you to the nearest EMERGENCY ROOM, via the MOST EXPENSIVE METHOD. No mater what YOU say..... or wish

Guy Keesee wrote: Was he wearing a helmet? Fall over 10 feet? If the answer is NO and YES to these, its NPS protocol to sieze you and take you to the nearest EMERGENCY ROOM, via the MOST EXPENSIVE METHOD. No mater what YOU say..... or wish

Maybe because a lot of people have died from those kind of incidents several hours later? They may not even know they hit their head. Recall Natasha Richardson, Liam Neeson's deceased wife. From the Wiki entry:

"On 16 March 2009, Richardson sustained a head injury when she fell while taking a beginner skiing lesson at the Mont Tremblant Resort in Mont-Tremblant, Quebec, Canada about 80 miles (130 km) from Montreal. The injury was followed by a lucid interval, when Richardson seemed to be fine and was able to talk and act normally. The paramedics and an ambulance which initially responded to the accident were told they were not needed and left. Refusing medical attention twice, she returned to her hotel room and about three hours later was taken to a local hospital in Sainte-Agathe-des-Monts after complaining of a headache. She was transferred from there by ambulance to Hôpital du Sacré-Cœur, Montreal, in critical condition and was admitted about seven hours after the fall.[22][23] The following day, she was flown to Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City, where she died on 18 March at the age of 45.[24][25] An autopsy conducted by the New York City Medical Examiners Office on 19 March revealed the cause of death was an "epidural hematoma due to blunt impact to the head", and her death was ruled an accident

After the helicopter left I drove out of the park and saw a subaru outback that looked like it had been in a bad accident being loaded into a tow truck. So maybe it was a car accident?

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A friend of mine was helping his GF hike out after she took a fall and broke her ankle. On the way out, JOSAR showed up, having been called without my friends knowledge. His intention was to drive to the ER close to home...

The JOSAR BOYS started to interrogate the couple and having found out that she was not wearing a helmet and fell greater than 10 feet..... they shoved my friend aside and said: "ITs PROTOCOL WE TAKE OVER..!!!!!!!"

No Problem you say....

Well my friend was knocked to the ground and cuffed when he protested... and they hauled him off like a common criminal.

His GF was put on a life flight to Palm Springs, while on the flight they gave her some sort of drug- that she was allergic to- when the chopper arrived in PS she was not breathing - lucky they got that started again - and she spent like 14 days recovering from what they did to her.

To put cream on top.... they sent him a bill for the ride. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Guy Keesee wrote: Was he wearing a helmet? Fall over 10 feet? If the answer is NO and YES to these, its NPS protocol to sieze you and take you to the nearest EMERGENCY ROOM, via the MOST EXPENSIVE METHOD. No mater what YOU say..... or wish

Guy-

Unless you are unconscious, you ALWAYS have the right to refuse medical care (with limited exceptions if you are deemed a danger to self or others). That said, most people with medical training (including me) would say that someone who fell over 10 feet without a helmet should be heading to the ER fast. Maybe not helicopter fast, but definitely lights-and-sirens fast.

I fell from left ski track back in 2012 and broke my ankle. You need a very specific piece of pro to adequately protect the first 20 feet. I believe its a 2.5 camalot. My number 2 ripped out like it wasn't even there. I had a helmet on, and fell about 17 feet, breaking my ankle. I hobbled to my car with my buddy and he drove me to the hospital.

What James said...There are protocols when EMS uses flight ambulances. And if the patient is alert and oriented they can ALWAYS deny care. Even if they are having a heart attack. Implied consent only applies when a person is incopacitated. 5150 applies when there's a danger to self or others or failure to thrive. Doesn't sound like that applies to this. I can't imagine a flight nurse/medic would shove anyone and literally kidnap a patient. But if that happened that's grounds for dismissals and large lawsuits.

on New yrs day this yr I fell while scrambling the bong due to it being filled with ice, not a great idea, i know. The park rangers tried calling ambulance but i told them no its not needed and had my friend drive my to the ER. They never threatened to arrest or make me take an ambulance, its 100% the choice of the injured person.

Hey Russ. I wasn't aware there was a second or first bolt on Double Cross.

happy for the change in subject to better reflect the subject matter of this thread....

Guy Keesee wrote: Was he wearing a helmet? Fall over 10 feet? If the answer is NO and YES to these, its NPS protocol to sieze you and take you to the nearest EMERGENCY ROOM, via the MOST EXPENSIVE METHOD. No mater what YOU say..... or wish

not wearing a helmet and about 10-12 feet.

Man. I climbed Double Cross last year and I have to say I'm happy for the new bolts. Those cams are so heavy and hard to place. Besides, if you put the cams in the crack then they're in the way of your feet while you're climbing and it's way way safer. I'm glad the old climbing dinosaurs are finally getting with the times. I can't wait to see more cracks being bolted in JTree. I look forward to the day when I get to come into the park with nothing but a set of draws and a grigri.

^^^ draws are too heavy. Permadraws are the jam.

One step at a time dude. We'll get there. God willing.

Jon Hartmann wrote:One step at a time dude. We'll get there. God willing.

SHTZZ PANTZ IN RAGE!!!11!11!

matt c. wrote:Anyone know what happened at j tree sunday evening? We saw th flight for life landed right nexr to double cross.

Since you said Sunday evening, I can tell you exactly what happened. I was on Mike's books about 15 feet up, trying for a spot to place pro. While doing the traverse to the right, into the dihedral, I stemmed my right foot over to the right. I lost my balance, almost recovered it and my right foot peeled. From there, gravity took over. I pushed out to clear the rocks and such below me. I turned to my left and landed on my right side. Climber nurses magically appeared and were very helpful, as were the rangers, emts, sheriff, mercy flight folks etc. Following protocol, they flew me to desert regional medica trauma center. I am ok, just banged up with 2 fractures in my right foot and a "tiny" fracture in my neck. Helmets save lives. Wear yours. Because I was strapped to a back board, I couldn't see where I was. My wife said the chopper I was in landed in the road in front of double cross.
The whole thing still seems like a dream to me. Eventually, reality will set in and it will hit me.

Climb on!

Anyone should be able to refuse care no matter how far they fell as long as they are with it mentally. Guy, what happened to your friend is criminal in my opinion and JOSAR should be held responsible for their actions. That is kidnapping no matter how high the person fell from. I've been a paramedic for 30 years for the LAFD, if a person is mentally competent they can sign their life away if they choose. We absolutely try and talk them into going to the hospital but we cannot force them.