Most fuel efficient climber van?

Calling all dirtbags!
I'm sure this has come up in the forums before, but I couldn't find anything on it so I am posting a new thread. I'm looking for a fuel efficient van that can be retrofitted with a kitchen, bed and the works. I'm open to any suggestions and if you have something for sale that matches this description I might be interested.

2WD Astro/Safari gets 20MPG, 22 if you baby it. V6.

I bet a Toyota Previa would do well if you can find one.

Westy with a Ford Focus engine, or other small engine.

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oh yeah, a vansion will do you really well if you have the chedda

My '97 Previa AWD gets about 21-22 and near 8' bed with the seats out. Still running good ( a bit loud) at 287,000

NO I'm not selling it

S denny- i know of a beauty previa in Carbondale, but they won't sell either.

you could look for a previa, but they are hard to find and they are all like 20 years old. simplest thing to do is find a toya sienna. there are many for sale. v6 power 19-21 mpg. a 02-05 will cost like 6-9k.....and super reliable. it just wont get you into the back country 4x4 trails..but what vann can??

S Denny wrote:2WD Astro/Safari gets 20MPG, 22 if you baby it. V6.

I have a friend with an Astro V6 and he claims only about 12-14 mpg. Maybe he's just an awful driver, but 20 mpg is pretty sweet for a van that size. Still above average for the size.

Are there any alternatives to the Previa since they are so difficult to find? I would say that is about the smallest I would want to go.

Edit: question was answered as I was typing this post!

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Pretty sweet and about 20-22 mpg, although it is bit pricey. Will definitely be on the lookout though

Sprinters with the high roof get 27+ on the hwy, and have as much or more room as any other van. Downside is no barn door option, only a slider...and they're not cheap, even used with high miles.

I am pretty sure the first gen(straight 5 cyl. diesel) got 27mpg and the 2nd gen(v6 diesel) gets 20-23mpg.

Does anyone know if the sprinter can be outfitted with a pop-top? Also, I was maybe thinking of something like an Element with a pop-top. This would come in handy when driving dirt roads and such.

This one definitely doesn't look fuel-efficient, but sweet nonetheless.

I have a sprinter 2004 2500HD

I get 27 MPG going anywhere. They can be retro fitted with a pop top by Sportsmobile for about $5000.

I've had 2 VW pop tops. a 74. Don't go there, and a 93 Euro, might have been a 95? I only had it for 2 months. The sprinter is way way bigger inside, and goes 80 MPH up the passes.

Got mine on ebay with 65K miles for $14,000. That was a good deal, they are out there.

Check this site out.

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Prod.

I've got a westy with the bostig conversion (ford focus engine). I get around 23 mpg on average (mostly hwy).

The ford transit connect gets up to 27 hwy. It is a bit smaller than most vans and has low clearance.

Sprinters are pretty nice, very roomy and they get decent mileage. Diesel fuel is on average a little more expensive right now though. You could run it on veggie oil I suppose.

I met somebody once out at J-tree with a CNG sportsmobile. That would be pretty nice right now because the current CNG prices are very low comparatively. I'm not sure if it was dual-fuel but I think you would want that in case you couldn't find a CNG station close by.

You should run some numbers yourself for the specific vehicles you have in mind, but in general it doesn't make sense ( from a pure economics standpoint) to spend significantly more for a more fuel efficient vehicle. For example, if you are able to put 200,000 miles on a vehicle that gets 20 mpg, you'll be buying 10,000 gallons of gas at $40,000 at current prices (not likely to stay that way). Suppose you buy a 10% more efficient vehicle, it will save you about $4000 over the life of the vehicle, so there is no sense in spending more than that. If you add in the time-value of money it makes even less sense to pay extra for fuel efficiency. Obviously, if gas prices continue to rise, the investment will be more likely to pay off. If your motives are not purely economic, then it might be worthwhile to you to spend more for efficiency.

Also, if you are considering a diesel, realize that diesel currently costs more (5-10%) than gasoline, and likely will stay that way considering the greater global demand for it.

Toyota Dolphins gets 16-18 mpg and you get the benefits of a camper.

the Sprinter is definitely at the top of the list right now, although unless I find a sweet deal it isn't gonna happen for a while. And Mike, the mpg factor is a bit both for economic and environmental reasons. Although money is the limiting factor, it would be nice to get a rig that isn't a gas guzzler. The CNG option sounds like a good idea, although probably pretty rare and expensive.

The toyota dolphin is pretty sweet and there are a few for really cheap on ebay right now. One claims 22 mpg which may be a bit exaggerated but even 16-18 is good for a camper.

Just want to second the Chevy Express (even though I'm not a 'high end climber'). I have an AWD version that, if you're not a speed demon, will get in the high teens on mpg. Still working on building shelves, storage and whatnot in the back but I love having the van. Hard to beat having all the space to move about.

As an alternative to the Previa or Astro, check out the old Ford Aerostars, manufactured from the late 80's to 1997. They're cheap, reliable, efficient (~19 mpg), built tough on a truck chassis, and available in AWD. I just reluctantly sold my 97 AWD and miss it already. Keep your eyes peeled and you'll see plenty still on the road.

I have a 05 Chevy Express with a 4.8L V8. I love this thing i can fit bikes all my climbing gear and even a dirtibike (then its packed) while sleeping, cooking and traveling. The best MPG I've got is 18. But on average I'd say i get 16-17 on the highway, and like 12-13 in town. A van is expensive to travel/climb with but its so nice to be able to throw everything in and take off. You can find them somewhat cheap (compared to sprinters) and then make it exactly how you want it inside which is the fun part for me. Good luck.

I've run full size Ford vans (E series) for years with great luck- they're reliable, long lasting with fairly cheap replacement parts readily available in most places. One drawback is that they don't come in an AWD version, so the 4x4 conversions are all lifted to the point that the fuel economy suffers significantly. The Chevy Express/GMC Savanna AWD option comes at the stock RWD height, which is nice in a number of ways. My current rig is a '93 E-150 with a 351 that's getting 16mpg on the highway at 70. That's not great economy, but I paid $2,600 for it- the price difference between that and some of the nicer stuff will pay for a lot of trips. I also have a '90 Dodge Grand Caravan that gets 24mpg at 70- it's front wheel drive and the traction is pretty good. Again, not the nicest machine around, but I paid $1,200 for it and it's been very reliable. When it's time for a new camping rig, I'll definitely be looking at the Express/Savanna though- as nice as the Sprinters are, the fuel savings aren't likely to ever make up for the purchase price.

Anyone with an Express have a rough price estimate for self-installation of a kitchen? or any similar van for that matter.