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jumping fish · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Aug 2011 · Points: 100

II have been climbing on a 10.5 dynamic and a 10.6 static (16 strand).

I am looking into replacing these old ropes with a new set or pair.

First concern is the construction of the static rope. I want to get the best static rope for ascension and rappelling.
I am not sure what my best option is.
Here is a list of my three choices:
Kernmantle
16 strand sheath
Double braid
Second concern is the size of the two ropes. I want them to be equal in diameter, preferably 7/16.
Any suggestions or helpful thoughts would be appreciated.
Note: I found an article in the forums previously, can't remember what it was though.

Yarp · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2011 · Points: 0

I'm sorry JF and I'm really trying to NOT violate guideline #1, but what the hell are you talking about?

Please decipher your post for us so that we can bestow upon you our wisdom is such matters.

jumping fish · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Aug 2011 · Points: 100

Kernmantle --
The mantle of this rope is woven tightly to provide protection for the load bearing core. Core strands are not woven they are parallel. Core strands can also be twisted like a slinky to add elasticity providing manufactures a lot of flexibility to manipulate the finished product based on intended use. Good for a wide range of uses. Ascent lines of this construction are considered
"cover dependent kernmantles".

16 strand--
Abrasion resistant rope construction presents a thick mantle
(Cover) around a small interior core bundle that helps keep the rope round under tension and makes it easy to tie. The thick mantle provides most of this lines strength

Double braid--
This braid inside a braid remains round under tension even when running over pulleys. Generally core and cover share equal load.

And if my cover/sheath were damaged I don't want to slip down the rope. Tying in will prevent me from slipping off the rope this is a good safety procedure when a person is ascending the rope with jumars.
But tying in still does not determine the quality of the rope.

I have never seen a double braid advertised in a mountaineering shop
but I have seen kernmantle ropes and 16 strand static ropes.

So I discovered this double braid rope and I am uncertain on what rope to purchase as a new static line.

With all the choices of polyester , nylon, technora synthetic materials.
I am stuck doing research. I called the companies and got no single suggestion on what is the best rope for srt. Sterling says to go with there HTP or snakebite rope---Bluewater says use the 16 strand BW II
rope and my latest find is this double braid rope made both by Yale cordage and New England ropes.

I did find an article concerning the subject and a reputable climber suggests that if your on a bigwall with ropes smaller than 10mm you need to get your head checked. So I have done away with the notion that I will ever use anything smaller than 10mm.

My ropes are old and I only have half of the length static left (100').
I am looking to purchase a new static rope soon. Do you have any suggestions?

Kip Kasper · · Bozeman, MT · Joined Feb 2010 · Points: 200

where do you buy a double braid or 16 strand climbing rope?

static ropes, don't know shit about them but I'm pretty sure they're not that hard to understand. Buy one in the diameter and length you want.

this question is stupid.

jumping fish · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Aug 2011 · Points: 100

Bluewater makes a 16 strand static rope called Bluewater II.
It has a 50% core to sheath ratio.

Yale Cordage makes a double braid static rope called Poison Ivy.

New England Ropes makes a double braid rope called Lava.

I am sure that if you contact them individually that they can tell you where the nearest supplier in your area is. Or you could always mail order it.

jumping fish · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Aug 2011 · Points: 100

You guys are just trolling on my topic. Nothing new here.
Whatever.

Matt N · · CA · Joined Oct 2010 · Points: 425

ask your question here supertopo.com/climbing/foru… plenty of old and wall climbers to decipher your meaning.

possibly.

Kip Kasper · · Bozeman, MT · Joined Feb 2010 · Points: 200

we're not trolling, sounds like you have all the necessary info yourself to make this decision. Buy a fucking rope and get on with it. double braid? what the fuck dude why not just use something like this

jumping fish · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Aug 2011 · Points: 100

Matt. Thanks.

Yarp · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2011 · Points: 0

You can mail your next pay check to me. Please sign it before putting it in the mail. THANKS!

jumping fish · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Aug 2011 · Points: 100

If you can't reply with a positave answer and you think that I haven't provided ample information then mabey you are going with the negative conitations of other people intentionaly trying to imply that I am out of line here by creating a topic because you are under educated on the subject of static rope construction. Now with that being said your best effort to establish a conversation based on static rope selection leads to your immature reply stating that I am trolling-wich in internet lingo means-that I am going around and cyber stalking other peoples conversations and butting in and attempting to cause a problem. When accually I was only trying to elebrate and answer yarp's question. then a few other immature brats decided to chime in a be jerks towards me wich you also presist on doing by calling me a troll. Dude your attitude is so kindergarden.
I have been reading climbing stories last night. and if you had any since or knowledge you may have responded with.

Hey man. If your going to be using a static rope for walling ascenssion and rappelling then maby you should go with a rope that has a tightly woven kernmantle sheath; because it wont absorbe water as easly and you wont want your ropes to freeze up on you .
The 16 strand and double braid ropes have the capability to absorbe water easier in the event of a storm and they could freeze and break. You could dry treat the rope for extra safty.

No instead you resort to calling me a troll or say I am trolling.
well if you think that is the case then you are the ones out of line here and mabey you should create a topic in the non climbing selection of the fourms. Then you can talk all kinds of bad shit about me and you won't even be off topic. But for now we are in the "CLIMBING GEAR" selection of the mountain project fourms and this topic is about Static and Dynamic ropes. My inquery was posted here to ask for suggestions about what kind of static and dynamic rope (that others prefer) to buy. If you can't understand that then I suggest trying.

jumping fish · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Aug 2011 · Points: 100

No what is really disappointing is when you guys degrade the privlage to use these fourms and then all the good writers just turn away instead of responding.

Jeff Stephens · · Carbondale, CO · Joined Sep 2008 · Points: 80

Hey jumping fish

Sorry you're getting treated this way. I think your English is fein. What a bunch of dicks! All you need is an expert instructional video that lays it out clearly.

Rappeling on a Budget

Yarp · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2011 · Points: 0

Jumping Fish,

Since you originally posted this question I've been wandering all over the internets looking for an answer. I finally found one this morning! Not sure what the post's author is talking about in a couple of places because apparently he speaks a different dialect of English than me. Maybe you can decipher it?

leaping lizard wrote: Hey man. If your going to be using a static rope for walling ascenssion and rappelling then maby you should go with a rope that has a tightly woven kernmantle sheath; because it wont absorbe water as easly and you wont want your ropes to freeze up on you . The 16 strand and double braid ropes have the capability to absorbe water easier in the event of a storm and they could freeze and break. You could dry treat the rope for extra safty.
That dude really seems to know his shit! Sounds like he's real SAFE too.

Hope that help. Dont pay any attension too thes guys. Knowthing butt a bunch of dick around hear!
Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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