How much should a campsite cost?

Jake Jones wrote:

This doesn't really answer your question, so apologies up front.  However...

If you're paying like $45 a night for camping, just skip the gear, skip the camping, get two or three friends and get a hotel room with 2 queen beds.  Same price, maybe even cheaper. No extra gear needed, no drying out said gear if you get hosed in a downpour, and no creepy crawlies and some other person's snot rocket on the shower wall at disgusting campsite showers. Bonus points for ones that have saunas and breakfast the next morning.  

I made this move about 6 years ago and haven't looked back.  Good sleep, less gear needed, no extra $$ spent, or if it is a little bit extra, it's worth it to not have to deal with ^ that shit.

I understand that this isn't an option for all areas, but for the ones that it is an option for, try it out.  You might find you get better sleep, have better showers, etc.

Campfires can't be understated though, I do miss them.  Sometimes I show up at friends' sites, hang out by the fire, then retire to my hotel room afterwards.  Best of both worlds.  Am I soft?  Probably.  Do I care?  Nah.

Hotels are gross, going out to eat is unhealthy and expensive, and driving to the crag each morning kind of sucks.

On second thought, hotels are much better!

Frank Stein wrote:

Hotels are gross, going out to eat is unhealthy and expensive, and driving to the crag each morning kind of sucks.

On second thought, hotels are much better!

Ha!  This made me laugh.  Even the worst hotel I've been in was far better than any campsite shower/bathroom I've ever been in.  Also, it depends what you eat when you "go out" to eat.  What crags are you going to that you wake up, walk out of your tent and rope up?  Most campsites I know of at ALL the areas I've climbed at require a drive to a parking area, then an approach to a crag.  

The real story is that I'm old, my "crushing" or better yet "marginally disrupting" days are over and I have arthritis and sleep issues and setting up and breaking down tents and gear and cleaning cheap camping cookware is for the birds.  Honestly, I feel like the 3 to a hotel room gig is a good balance between waking up with a sore back, not getting enough sleep because the campers next to me sprayed all night long about "that awesome 9 no one sent" while listening to Sublime at an unreasonable volume, and taking out a loan so I can buy a "dirtbag" van.

YMMV.

No driving to crag from camp. Top: undeveloped/free.  Bottom: developed/not free.

Also, I am certain that I am older and creakier than you are. 

Jake Jones wrote:

Honestly, I feel like the 3 to a hotel room gig is a good balance...

For 20-somethings perhaps, but by the time one is 50-ish, that's for the birds as well. (Meaning the 3 or 4 to a room bit - I'm all for hotels and condos)

ZT G wrote:

You guys are paying for camping!? Haha oh shit

You aren't?  You're so poor.    

Frank Stein wrote:

No driving to crag from camp. Top: undeveloped/free.  Bottom: developed/not free.

Also, I am certain that I am older and creakier than you are. 

Spend $40-80K on a camping rig just so you don't have to spend $45 a night, 20 nights a year.    

I kid.  I'm envious of the camping rigs!  Very nice!  

Chad Miller wrote:

Spend $40-80K on a camping rig just so you don't have to spend $45 a night, 20 nights a year.    

I kid.  I'm envious of the camping rigs!  Very nice!  

Without a doubt and with pleasure. (Bottom pic is a rental, and total cost for top pic was $28K, so cheaper than the spousal vehicle)

Chad Miller wrote:

Spend $40-80K on a camping rig just so you don't have to spend $45 a night, 20 nights a year.    

I kid.  I'm envious of the camping rigs!  Very nice!  

Except, who is only camping 20 nights a year? I don’t own a vansion, but I don’t get laughing at those who do. The generational problem isn’t kids buying expensive vans, it’s the previous generations letting agencies get away with charging $50 a night to sleep on the ground. If being “hard” costs $15k a year, even a sprinter  can pay for itself. Shame where shame belongs.

Now now there's no need for shaming. Think of it like portaledges. I'd guess the majority of ledge-buyers actual mileage on their spanky new ledges is somewhat, low. 10-nights? 20? Whatever, its natural to do the cost/night calc and then work to make that number 2x lower! 

Same for camping rigs. The ideal is to get the cost / night as low as you can! Let's go camping!!! Enough of those old fashioned day trips.

Frank Stein wrote:

No driving to crag from camp. Top: undeveloped/free.  Bottom: developed/not free.

Also, I am certain that I am older and creakier than you are. 

These are both great.  However, one only needs a vehicle to get them to the free areas right. Not everyone needs a truck topper rig or a full on sprinter van. All you need is a decent clearance vehicle and a tent and you can access the “free” camping.  

Sleep on the ground with an old wool blankie, Puritan! Is all good. Over the course of life we start simple, get complex then eventually go back to simple again.

Chad Miller wrote:

Spend $40-80K on a camping rig just so you don't have to spend $45 a night, 20 nights a year.   

The correct comparison isn't between the rig and camping - it's between the rig and hotels.

Walt Peters wrote:

These are both great.  However, one only needs a vehicle to get them to the free areas right. Not everyone needs a truck topper rig or a full on sprinter van. All you need is a decent clearance vehicle and a tent and you can access the “free” camping.  

This is very true. In my twenties I went to Mexico for over a month in a ‘79 Tercell, sleeping on the ground. In my forties, we did three months in Europe with a Ford Focus and a two-person tent. But now, we are old and soft, and a bed and a heater are really nice.

Anyway, I estimate that we spent 400 to 500 nights in that truck over the last six years. A cheap motel runs about $100 per night these days, so $40K minimum over that period. Conservatively, I saved $12K by staying in my truck, with the added bonus of not commuting to the crag each day.  

Walt Peters wrote:

These are both great.  However, one only needs a vehicle to get them to the free areas right. Not everyone needs a truck topper rig or a full on sprinter van. All you need is a decent clearance vehicle and a tent and you can access the “free” camping.  

Or just a midsized SUV.

Sep M wrote:

Except, who is only camping 20 nights a year? I don’t own a vansion, but I don’t get laughing at those who do. The generational problem isn’t kids buying expensive vans, it’s the previous generations letting agencies get away with charging $50 a night to sleep on the ground. If being “hard” costs $15k a year, even a sprinter  can pay for itself. Shame where shame belongs.

20 nights a year seems pretty average for the people who actually camp. Thats less than 2 days a month…

Frank Stein wrote:

Without a doubt and with pleasure. (Bottom pic is a rental, and total cost for top pic was $28K, so cheaper than the spousal vehicle)

You purchased the truck, topper,  and the roof tent for $28k?!  That's one heck of a deal!  Nice find! 

Not Not MP Admin wrote:

20 nights a year seems pretty average for the people who actually camp. Thats less than 2 days a month…

I car camp and backpack around 26 nights a year. For me that's half my free weekends.      

Chad Miller wrote:

I car camp and backpack around 26 nights a year. For me that's half my free weekends.      

Some years I’m way more than 20, some years I’m close or less…on average I am certainly much more than 20 nights a year since I started climbing though, the majority of those years were in a tent or back of Subaru. Only last 5 have I upgraded to a truck bed. 

Chad Miller wrote:

You purchased the truck, topper,  and the roof tent for $28k?!  That's one heck of a deal!  Nice find! 

$18K for the truck, used. First year model Project M from Four Wheel, bought new for $9.9K, with a $800.00 install. They now sell for close to $12K. 

Sep M wrote:

Except, who is only camping 20 nights a year? I don’t own a vansion, but I don’t get laughing at those who do. The generational problem isn’t kids buying expensive vans, it’s the previous generations letting agencies get away with charging $50 a night to sleep on the ground. If being “hard” costs $15k a year, even a sprinter  can pay for itself. Shame where shame belongs.

What kind of Sprinter van is that? Average "Vansion" I see seems to run close to 100K or more. Cost of ownership and running a 100K vehicle is MUCH more than $15K per year.

Also, who spends 300 nights a year camping? Pretty sure that's just called being homeless. I think most people would be thrilled if they spent 20-30 nights a year camping.