The Small Cam Rank/Comparison Page
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There's a thread for each small cam separately, but itd be nice to compare them directly on one thread. |
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Prepare for completely conflicting answers. |
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My go to small cams for most type of rock are the original Metolius offsets. They even work in Lake Louise quartzite. But for sandstone I prefer Aliens and use Ball Nuts for micro cracks. Never fallen on a Ball Nut but they have passed my bounce testing. Just received the new Dragonflys, no experience with them yet. (I probably didn't really need them but I like to support DMM). |
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Personally I rack tcus from 00-2 and totems from black through yellow. I also will use the mastercams when I know I'll be climbing splitters. But for eldo funk I stick with the previously mentioned. I've used C3s, Aliens, dragonflies and x4s as well. Just prefer the TCU and totem for the fingers and thinner. And mastercams and totems for splitter/straight forward cracks. That being said I'll bring a mix match of the others depending on the routes demands for example I'll bring along the .1x4, and purple, red and green dragonfly. |
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Isac Fresquez wrote: Personally I rack tcus from 00-2 and totems from black through yellow. I also will use the mastercams when I know I'll be climbing splitters. But for eldo funk I stick with the previously mentioned. I've used C3s, Aliens, dragonflies and x4s as well. Just prefer the TCU and totem for the fingers and thinner. And mastercams and totems for splitter/straight forward cracks. That being said I'll bring a mix match of the others depending on the routes demands for example I'll bring along the .1x4, and purple, red and green dragonfly. Do you like the TCU's becasue they're NOT narrow? What's the appeal? |
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M Alexander wrote: Prepare for completely conflicting answers. UL Master or TCU? TCU's just seem outdated, but becasue they're so different from small cams of 2020, I'm sure they have their place. Seems like everything besides TCU's and Totems are just an Alien mod. I've got a project line that is a ton of .2, .1, and 0, and it's pretty much a splitter. Not much variation going on in there. |
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Joe Hunt wrote: Contenders: Is that your ranking? I'm confused. |
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Ma Ja wrote: The appeal of the Metolius TCU for me is that I got mine for less than $20 a piece. That's about it. |
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I have taken a ~18 footer onto #3 ball but in granite and didn’t die. Recommend them for sure, they do get stuck a bit easier when you fall on them but with a nut tool and determination they have always come out for me. |
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Ma Ja wrote: I carry both, TCUs can be bomber in weird spots like pinscars where nothing else is. |
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Ma Ja wrote: Yes, but... 45 years ago we didn't have any and we were fine. 35 years ago we were happy to have any. 25 years ago we took them for granite. 15 years ago we started getting picky and seeing some were better than others. Now I think they are all pretty amazing in terms of quality and functionality. I just tend not to like the aliens and totems as much as some. Really like the BD and DMM stuff. :) |
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M Alexander wrote: I am in this camp as well. I like the 000 and 00 C3's alot, then to the 00 and 0 UL Metolius, black totem to blue totem. I will say i have used aliens too and like them, but don't find them durable enough to warrant buying them. I'll stick to borrowing my buddies :) |
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I'll play... I think small cams are a specific design group and one of the hardest to get right, and I've developed some pretty strong opinions on the subject over the years from experience. |
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Metolius ultralight masters all the way. So ridiculously light, and incredibly good at what they do. Price is way better than any of the BD stuff, and still made in the states to boot. Gotta support the "local" manufacters. Oh, their service is top notch as well! |
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Totem basics blue to red (hybrids included); 2 largest mastercam offset cams (¾ & 4/5); and 00-1 mastercams are the best small cams money can buy. These days, totem basics are rebranded as nucos (and still made in Spain). |
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Ma Ja wrote: Pros in my opinion/experience: They're more than narrow enough. I've fiddled them into pods, and cracks in eldo that a standard 4 lobe unit couldn't go. They're light as all hell and compact, if you need to double up on em it's no problem. And yes the design is "old school" but there is a reason they're still around and still being produced, They work. Also, I haven't had issues with them walking, just place em well. And extend when needed (just like any other cam) and last but not least you get brilliant customer service from metolius. Cons: If you're climbing splitters dont buy tcus simple as that, that's where four lobe units shine.Also I feel the tcus are only useful in a limited size range (00-2) that's where the totems come into play to overlap and cover finger sized cracks/pods. Lastly, if you really drive one in deep and tight they are a bitch to get out, especially the 0. In closing: if you're climbing mostly bomber splitters/ consistent cracks any 4 lobe unit is gonna do the job, they all have there baggage whether it be shitty customer service, lacking durability, cost, scarcity, etc. To provide a short snap shot of this baggage per cam read as follows (again my opinion/experience) Aliens: generally bomber, flexible, bite well and narrow heads, good range of sizes. If you get those I'd recommend going with the older style cch aliens NOT the revo ones. The older style ones are still being made and can be found online or at rock and resole in boulder. CONS: durability, customer service is pure shit, bad rap from recalls in the past. X4s: Really good in the .1 and .2 size. I've beat the hell out of my .1 and its held up beautifully and has a brilliant range of placement ability as does the .2 now .3 and above get kinda bent oddly when used heavily and the .75 is super floppy. If you're comfortable with the BD size range and know it well, I'd say the x4s aren't a bad choice. Especially now that you can score em for cheap, definitely weren't worth 80$ Mastercams: consistent quality, light, durable, excellent customer service. AFORDABLE. Cons not as flexible, not too aider friendly. And personally hate the 00 mastercam the head that the axel runs through is bigger than the cam in its tightest to nearly tightest range and it sticks out past the lobes. Better off with the powercam or tcu in that same size(Also kinda happens with the 0 purple sometimes) best through size 1-4 Dragonflies: there's plenty of recent threads that have tons of info on these cams so I'll just say this. The two smallest cams are 6kn buy em and go climb the thin and whip with confidence. though you might need to buy replacements quicker than youd like. DMM makes good shit. But missed the mark with these a bit. C3: Again shit ton of info on em, they're good as well and definitely get the job done. Unfortunately rarity as made them sky rocket in price. Z4s: only own the .5 I've climbed on it one day so far, initial impressions is that it's a rip off of several different cams. Long story short in sizes .75 to .3 they're an improvement on the x4s in many awesome ways. And so far I'm impressed, but not running out to buy a rack of em yet, until they're durability is proven. WC zeros: no idea Totems: get black through purple. Forget the bigger ones unless you aid climb. And if you want to try to save money. Just get the black, blue and yellow. Those are the sizes the totems shine for free climbing. All that being said, if you're gonna climb a lot get what's affordable. All these cams in some way or another are going to succumb to normal wear and odd freak accident wear. Go with a company whose size range feels most natural and comfortable to you. Try em out first if you can and go from there. |
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Forgot to mention the totem basics but totally agree with Sean Brady on those. If I had to choose only one itd be the totem basics, I owned the red and yellow and used the ever loving hell out of em, unfortunately they fell under the recall window. So I sent em back. If you can get your hands on em you wont regret it. |
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Can anyone hone in on the Black Totem/Red C3 and smaller? Looks like the smallest Totem Basic is the blue, and that's the same size. The 00, and 0 UL Mastercams are the stand out to me right now. |
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Joe Hunt wrote: Was this a pun? Or are you a Rick and Morty fan |
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I rack: Met Master 00, 0 and 1, BD TCU Yellow, Totem Black and Blue, Tricam Black and Pink. Anything else has to survive Thunder Dome against a racked cam to make it of the shelf. |