Why do people think old sweaty worn out shoes are still worth so much money?

For those who chalk up the differing values or beliefs of younger people to liberal education indoctrination, I challenge you to consider other reasons young people tend to be more critical of capitalism.

Lyle M wrote:

Because the whole point to buying a used pair of shoes is so I don't have to go through resoling mine. shoes that in decent condition, but will need a resole after the next 15 pitches or so are being marketed for 80% retail, It's very hard to understand!

It's a negotiating tactic. They fully expect to actually sell at a much more reasonable price. 

Hobo Greg wrote:

Well I’m glad wasteful practices like $150 billion in annual food waste or the 50 billion plastic water bottles used every year have been weeded out by your free market.. oh wait..

But hey, why let facts get in the way of your opinion?

So you think manufacturers waste the bottles and food?  

But hey, why let facts stand alone when you can twist them to try and fit your argument. 

do you guys even climb or do you post political nonsense all day, go back to facebook ya turds. 

Why are climbers so damn cheap in general.  I have been looking for used rock climbing gear here in Calgary Canada for the last 2 years. And mostly it's people giving stuff away at 10% to 20% off MSRP. It's f****** ridiculous. Any other industry and you can find 50% off pretty easily. I regularly find 15 year old climbing gear at a price more expensive than it would be for New Gear. When someone does post something 40% off for Trad gear it sells within the day.  I got lucky and got a bulk manufacturer pro deal from BD and don't have to rely on the community gear swaps and buy sell sites... Lucky

PHIL Baer wrote: Why are climbers so damn cheap in general.  I have been looking for used rock climbing gear here in Calgary Canada for the last 2 years. And mostly it's people giving stuff away at 10% to 20% off MSRP. It's f****** ridiculous. Any other industry and you can find 50% off pretty easily. I regularly find 15 year old climbing gear at a price more expensive than it would be for New Gear. When someone does post something 40% off for Trad gear it sells within the day.  I got lucky and got a bulk manufacturer pro deal from BD and don't have to rely on the community gear swaps and buy sell sites... Lucky

I think you are describing the sellers as cheap because they don't sell gear for less than what people are willing to pay for it. But it sounds like you are the cheap one if you think sellers should sell you gear for less than what they can get for it from people who are willing to pay more for it.

Why do you think the resale price of climbing gear remains relatively close to its original price after years greater discrepancies are found in other industries?

Andy Eiter wrote:

I think you are describing the sellers as cheap because they don't sell gear for less than what people are willing to pay for it. But it sounds like you are the cheap one if you think sellers should sell you gear for less than what they can get for it from people who are willing to pay more for it.

Why do you think the resale price of climbing gear remains relatively close to its original price after years greater discrepancies are found in other industries?

if someone is willing to pay close to the same price for 15 year old gear as the same gear used then whoever is buying said gear is an idiot.  not to mention its used SAFETY gear,  i think contrary to what you believe about me being cheap it is much more likely that there is something else going on.

Perhaps:

-climbers get emotionally attached to gear which they have depended on for their lives,  coupled with the feeling of letting something go as a feeling of loss.
-dirt bags spend a lot of time in the mountains and generally dont have very much money,  hence they try and get as much resale value as possible
-they are cheap
-blah
-blah

PHIL Baer wrote:

if someone is willing to pay close to the same price for 15 year old gear as the same gear used then whoever is buying said gear is an idiot.  not to mention its used SAFETY gear,  i think contrary to what you believe about me being cheap it is much more likely that there is something else going on.

Perhaps:

-climbers get emotionally attached to gear which they have depended on for their lives,  coupled with the feeling of letting something go as a feeling of loss.
-dirt bags spend a lot of time in the mountains and generally dont have very much money,  hence they try and get as much resale value as possible
-they are cheap
-blah
-blah

I'll try again since my original post was lost in the economics discussion.....

The price posted is a bargaining tactic. Y'all are quoting *asking* price, not what the item actually sold for.

Climber 1: used Flibber Pro climbing shoes, $120
Climber 2: "Dude, great shoes but way overpriced! New ones are $140!"
C1: "Make me an offer then"
C2: "I'll give you $60 for them"
C1: "Still a lot of life left in them before they'll need a resole. How about $85?"
C2: "I'll go for $75"
C1: "Sold"

Bill Kirby wrote: The top 1% makes $421,000 and change/year. Are you saying you don’t believe my household income is higher than that? Haha ok 

 That’s the problem you think all 1%ers are evil. They’re not all old money Rockefellers

The "old money Rockefellers" are probably a bad example since they are responsible for Acadia NP being what it is. It's hard to even imagine a family with this much money doing what they did in this modern society.

Mobes Mobesely wrote:

The "old money Rockefellers" are probably a bad example since they are responsible for Acadia NP being what it is. It's hard to even imagine a family with this much money doing what they did in this modern society.

Technically they were new money Rockefellers back then 

Money is a tool, just like the shoes and you. 

TC Pro, size 41, 20$ with shipping, left foot only. Plenty of life left in it.
Backstory:
My partner found it on top of Hallet peak, hiked it out and DM original owner they didn’t wanna a single shoe back. Now it can be yours, a back up shoe. If you have a dominant left foot and wear out your left shoe faster, this one can be yours for only 20$! Why spend 160$ for a pair when you can get a single shoe for 20$. Firm on price. Cheers!

Brother Numsie wrote: Things are worth only what someone is willing to pay for it.
This concept applies to your labor as well.
WTF are they teaching kids in the schools?
This is an example of why socialism is popular with the young. The Free Market has been relegated as undesirable by our shit education system.

Someone sounds quite bitter.

Fehim Hasecic wrote: TC Pro, size 41, 20$ with shipping, left foot only. Plenty of life left in it.
Backstory:
My partner found it on top of Hallet peak, hiked it out and DM original owner they didn’t wanna a single shoe back. Now it can be yours, a back up shoe. If you have a dominant left foot and wear out your left shoe faster, this one can be yours for only 20$! Why spend 160$ for a pair when you can get a single shoe for 20$. Firm on price. Cheers!

If i was state side and this was serious i would totally get me a single left tc pro for $20.

Hobo Greg wrote:

Seeing as how I live in California and she lives in New York, I’m not sure how feasible that is. I’m not on food stamps, not on unemployment either. The only free ride I’ve gotten is from the life insurance after my dad died a few years ago. I’d say losing a father to a vehicular accident wasn’t exactly worth it though. Think whatever you will. It is an unarguable fact that we live in the most wasteful country in the most wasteful time in human history, and that capitalism, when regulated as poorly as it is here, is a driving force behind that waste.

Think about how that insurance company was a free market company and gave you a pay out based on the low cost of life insurance (therefore raising everyone else’s life insurance and allowing you to claim HoBo hierarchy).

this thread sucks

Marc801 C wrote:

I'll try again since my original post was lost in the economics discussion.....

The price posted is a bargaining tactic. Y'all are quoting *asking* price, not what the item actually sold for.

Climber 1: used Flibber Pro climbing shoes, $120
Climber 2: "Dude, great shoes but way overpriced! New ones are $140!"
C1: "Make me an offer then"
C2: "I'll give you $60 for them"
C1: "Still a lot of life left in them before they'll need a resole. How about $85?"
C2: "I'll go for $75"
C1: "Sold"

C4: BOOM!

Hobo Greg wrote:

I’m definitely glad to have the life insurance that my dad worked his ass off for (union phone worker, insurance was through the union) over having my dad in my life. Interpret this sentence as being completely in violation of rule #1, as in, go ___ yourself you piece of ____.

Stop “hoarding your cash” and redistribute it to the system, I mean if the wealthy can’t do it, why should you?

Not all 1%’s are the evil people you think.You clearly missed the point of my list. That most people would hoard their wealth to benefit their life. That is a product of the free market Brah! 
You are such as worthless ______ you have to insult me with _____’s!  

Andy Eiter wrote:

C4: BOOM!

Who is climber 4 and why no mention of climber 3?

JOHN BAER wrote:

if someone is willing to pay close to the same price for 15 year old gear as the same gear used then whoever is buying said gear is an idiot.  not to mention its used SAFETY gear,  i think contrary to what you believe about me being cheap it is much more likely that there is something else going on.

Perhaps:

-climbers get emotionally attached to gear which they have depended on for their lives,  coupled with the feeling of letting something go as a feeling of loss.
-dirt bags spend a lot of time in the mountains and generally dont have very much money,  hence they try and get as much resale value as possible
-they are cheap
-blah
-blah

Sounds like you think the value you place on gear is the same value everyone else should place on gear. If someone wants to pay $100 for used shoes that originally cost $130, maybe the person doesn't value the extra life-span or performance of a new shoe at $30. Maybe the time and effort it would take to find a used pair for less isn't worth it to them.