Momentum Climbing Accident - Utah

Either way, suing on of the best climbing gyms is a terrible idea!

Momentum is a very nice, clean, high-end gym that is incredibly crowd. I have notice since over the past month more of the employees are walking around and watching people belay. Which is a good thing.

However one of the employees was kind of an asshole to myself and fiancé a couple days ago. Most are friendly.

i have had quite a few of the employees be complete assholes to me there, i wasn't doing anything wrong all i wanted to do was take a lead test( it took me over 5 visits there to finally find someone who had the whole 10 mins it took to give the test) and i ran across many times to where i try to say hello or have a conversation with the employees and have been treated as if i wasn't good enough to be graced with presences. its really unfortunate because i love momentum, the gym is amazing the people who go there are awesome, i just feel that in the past year or so in particular, some ego's have been formed.

shit I went there after they first opened and had some kid 20 years my junior come over and start giving my buddy a firemans belay because my brake hand was turned the wrong way. I wouldnt call the kid an asshole but more like the power hungry patrol kid on the bus in elementary school.

whatever though, its his job. the gym is nice, a ton of $$$ went into that. even if it was for dirtbags that dont/cant pay into health insurance but can afford to go to the climbing gym...

How dare someone sue a climbing gym. .. heresey!

I feel it's the responsibility of BOTH the climber AND their partner(s) to check each others rigs out before even starting to climb. My partners and I routinely ALWAYS check each others knots, harness buckles and such even before commencing. We feel that what good partners DO!

One can sue mcDonalds over coffee in the this country and win, yet people are shocked and appalled that one would sue a climbing gym.

Not sure why everyone is up in arms about a lawsuit. Tort law exists for a reason. If the courts decide that momentum was not negligent then she won't get any money. If momentum was negligent, she should be compensated for damages.

Fall Guy wrote:zoso has never been a shit talker.

Ha, he's always been a shit talker, but not a liar

David Sahalie wrote:One can sue mcDonalds over coffee in the this country

McDonald's got what was coming to them

Allen Sanderson wrote: My comment was more of a general comment not specific to this case. As I wrote this incident was just one of many that have occurred over the past couple of years - not just with climbers but with others. The bottom line is that the activity was a recreational. I would not call it a freak accident. It was a fubar plain and simple. A freak accident is being stuck by lightening or being hit by rock fall. I took a bad fall when I first started climbing. It was not an accident, I fubar'ed. Fortunately, I walked away hamburger elbows. More over my parents knew I fubar'ed and made sure it did not reflect negatively on our climbing club.

"You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means"

(Fubar = F*cked up beyond all recognition"

Rope knots do not magically untie , she tied her knot incorrectly and paid the penalty for that.Really quite silly, lets just hope this incident keeps more knuckleheads from bringing harm to themselves.

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Matt you have far too much time on your hands lad, ever thought about a hobby?Maybe u should start climbing.

"If the courts decide that momentum was not negligent then she won't get any money." and the gym will have to pay a much higher liability insurance premium regardless of fault.

fixed that for you

John D wrote: "You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means" (Fubar = F*cked up beyond all recognition"

I do know what it means - it came out of WWII along with SNAFU, and few others. Further the "all recognition" can be substituted with "any reasoning", "all repair", or other variants. So incorrectly tying a knot, not checking it, and then cratering is fucked up beyond any reasoning.

Christian wrote:"If the courts decide that momentum was not negligent then she won't get any money." and the gym will have to pay a much higher liability insurance premium regardless of fault. fixed that for you

Let me correct your correction:

"If the courts decide that momentum was not negligent then she won't get any money." and the gym will have to pay a much higher liability insurance premium regardless of fault. Which in turn will increase your membership cost while forcing you to pass a knot/belay competency test with each visit.

Does anyone know for certain that she is suing Momentum?

I would disagree with that decision, but from what I can tell there is ONLY hear-say about a lawsuit.

If she does take it to court I would not be surprised to hear that she wins, Judges are lawyers too, so it's all up to whomever can sway that individual, taking responsibility for personal actions are obviously not taken into consideration by our legal system/society.

are we gonna have to climb with double ropes in the gym?? Awesome.

Maybe the reason behind the lawsuit is to hope that Momentum settles and she recoups some of her medical bills? Not saying I agree with it, but could be the tactic. Desperate times lead to desperate measures.

Does bankruptcy provide relief from medical bills?

I don't think Momemtum deserves to be sued in this case (from the events we have been presented), but at the same time the medical/insurance/hospital system is out to make money, not look after your well being. Doctors and nurses are concerned for your well being in general I believe...I'm not knocking them. They have a ton of schooling to go through and deserve high compensation. However, some portion of her $68k is going to an executives 4th vacation home and pimped out Porche. I would be bent about that.

"Does bankruptcy provide relief from medical bills? "

Yes, it does. Unequivocally. Medical bills are a leading cause of bankruptcy in the U.S.

builttospill wrote:"Does bankruptcy provide relief from medical bills? " Yes, it does. Unequivocally. Medical bills are a leading cause of bankruptcy in the U.S.

She'll still owe her school loans, unfortunately. Maybe she could sue scantron though.

Colonel Mustard wrote: She'll still owe her school loans, unfortunately. Maybe she could sue scantron though.

Lmfao!!!!

Shane Neal wrote: Lmfao!!!!

That is a great idea! Class action anyone?

If this somehow affects the construction of the new Momentum II - I am gonna be pissed. Blanket party will be in order...