Number of climbers currently at each grade
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Was trying to explain to a friend how the climbing grades differed and I threw these numbers out as the number of people currently climbing at each grade: |
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Lee Smith is still in the 9th grade. |
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John Langston wrote: To my knowledge there are no 5.14 OW's. The only 5.13 I know of is Bellyful but I can think of several other 12d's.Didn't Leavitt and Yaniro find some offwidth in a ceiling of a parking garage somewhere in So Cal? I think they said that it was the hardest OW in the world. |
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One move wonder? 10a? You sure are down playing Crumbling Reality aren't ya John. |
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John Langston wrote: The only 5.13 I know of is Bellyful but I can think of several other 12d's.What does For Turkeys Only got at? |
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It's pretty safe to say more than 1000 people can climb 5.13, I'm not one of them by any means, but little European children solo 5.12 in clogs, so just take that into account. |
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John Langston wrote: By no means have I ever heard it's the hardest. A parallel roof splitter (concrete or rock) roof in the OW size is pretty much 12a.Did you just downgrade the parking garage crack? I think you did. What would Yaniro and Leavitt say about that? It might not be the hardest in the world, but 12a? That seems pretty low. |
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John Langston wrote:A parallel roof splitter (concrete or rock) roof in the OW size is pretty much 12a.You mean 5.9 |
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James Beissel wrote: You mean 5.9This is getting out of hand. |
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I can more than likely get it at 5-2 |
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There's an OW in the east that's supposed to be 13ish. Bulletproof at Farley Ledge. I tried it once: 4+ inches, very overhanging, angling and slightly offset. I did a few of those kick-throughs I had been hearing so much about. Very hard, but John would probably call it 12a. |
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I won't speculate on the total quantity, but I think percentiles are about...
Eli Eli |
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unless it's onsight on all mediums of climbing types, it doesn't count. |
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James Beissel wrote: You mean 5.9He meant 5.9 "+" (snicker) In the classical sense. Which is ta say, somewehre between 5.11 and 5.14. |
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I downloaded the partner database from some web site, don't remember if it was mountainproject or rockclimbing.com, like a year ago into excel, and (assuming if you are looking for a 5.13 partner you can climb 5.13) came up with: |
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Alright, offwidths not withstanding (or is that 'width'standing?) and using Eli's numbers, let's assume that there are 200,000 climbers in the world* eliclimbs wrote:40 percentile = 5.10 (so 6 of 10) 70 percentile = 5.11 (so 3 of 10) 85 percentile = 5.12 95 percentile = 5.13 (1 of 20) 99.8 percentile = 5.14 (1 of 500)that gives: 5.10 - 120,000 5.11 - 60,000 5:12 - 30,000 5:13 - 10,000 5:14 - 400
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or those within that think they can |
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Just contact Jens at 8a.nu I'm sure he has ALL the answers to this thread. And doesn't everyone that climbs have a page on that site? If not you're behind the times....I KID, I KID!!! |
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I find it dangerous to estimate how many people even climb. I suspect that there vast numbers of people that don't even hit our radar. |
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The impetus for the posting was to explain to a non-climber about the grades. I started with an explanation similar to Evan's but then the woman I was talking to asked how many people in the world can climb 5.14...I, of course, said something like. "well, there's me and maybe 200 other people" :-) |
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AJS wrote:The impetus for the posting was to explain to a non-climber about the grades.You could always compare it to another sport, like this: 5.14 climbers - Akin to the people who can compete against Tiger Woods, DL III, etc. 5.13 climbers - People who can get into a PGA tournament on their best day, or who place well in local tourneys 5.12 climbers - Reasonably good amateurs, who can shoot a few strokes over par on a good day etc. |